M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[BunnyGo]

Other than me I notice BunnyGo online.

Bunny, was that you?

I wasn’t online. But was walking kid to school. But my computer may have been on at home registering me online.

What I’m curious about is whether bo subtly was hinting as doctor or zoodberg and the assassin noticed. Or can assassin only shoot at night (on phone, can’t check rules and who may have shot)

The assassin can only shoot at night.

Yes. Caught up now. Going off again.

[bozotheclown]

#opposed
For my reasons stated against massclaiming in general (although bozo did answer my assassin fear...) but also, because if we force our top two wagons at the end of tomorrow night... and they reveal... we simply allow one of the potentially good PRs to be NKed. And the scum can simply claim their other roles.

I don't see how this helps.

I am suggesting only the top wagon at 24 hours be asked to claim. The idea is that if everyone has a valid vote in, the vote leader at 24 hours will be the player at risk of being lynched, so it give that player a chance to claim their role while we have time to consider if we still want to lynch him. The reason I think this is a good idea is that since everyone has a role, whoever is about to be lynched is going to claim a role to try to save themselves, so it is better for this to happen when we still have time to react. If the player is scum and they claim an non-verifiable role, we can still lynch them if we want. If the player is a third party, they would have to risk claiming a role that would be counter claimed. If the player is town and has a verifiable role, it gives them a chance to prove they are town. If the player is a "good PR", they would have to reveal themselves to the mafia at EOD anyway if they are still the top wagon.

How does this help us?

If the top wagon at 24h is scum, they will have an un-CCable fake role to claim. So they claim it, keep a straight face, and presumably the wagon moves to the second highest suspect. Then what? Do you want them to claim at 12 hours?

If the top wagon at 24 hours is scum, and their fake role is verifiable, they have to either claim it when they are unable to prove the role, or take a chance claiming a role that may be counterclaimed. If they claim an unverifiable role, there is no reason they can't still be a lynch candidate. It will be up for everyone to decide if they want to move their vote.

If the same player is not leading at 12 hours before EOD, I would be OK with asking the new leader to claim at that time.

[dargorygel]

fwiw
Two people have used the 'g' word so far:
TrPrado
Kitsune

I am going to plant a vote on Kitsune. I know, poor kitsune died so soon in our first phase. But using the 'g' word in the way she did would be very clever. And I could imagine her wanting to blatantly use the 'g' word, to get it out of the way. And she hasn't had a chance to speak to her QT mates about 'patience.'

##VOTE KITSUNE

I won't be as active today.

Reading the role though dargo, it only works if the words are used in order.

The phrase the pays has an N word that comes before the g-word, and if you look carefully over my post with the g-word you'll find I haven't used it anywhere.

Definitely not before the g-word.

No promises I won't use the n-word inadvertently in future posts, but this would not enable me to RickRoll even if I had the role and wanted to.

Neither is the case :)

You did use the "N" word.
Same post as the "G" word. A couple of paragraphs later.
And I wonder, myself, if the exact phraseology of the role description would allow BOTH words in the same post. Since the order might simply mean the post order. Or could.
The fact that you didn't 'notice' you used the N word is suspicious.

[bozotheclown]

Also, Bozo, that relies, apparently, on everyone having cast a valid vote by 24h. I bet you 20 Zimbabwean Dollars that that won't happen. Some people haven't even posted yet, let alone voted.

We do not need everyone, we do not want to let mafia prevent the claim from happening by not voting. If we run out of time getting most players on board, we could do it after 36 hours, or 40 hours, or 44 hours. As long as it is not right at EOD.

[Jamiet99uk]

Not 'gun.' But the odd word out of the Hammerererer phrase.

Odd in what sense?

Dude. Read the phrase. Pick the word that isn’t used all the time. And requires slang spelling.

"Gonnae" is used in Scottish parlance all the time. I've never thought of it as an odd word.

[dargorygel]

Odd in what sense?

Dude. Read the phrase. Pick the word that isn’t used all the time. And requires slang spelling.

"Gonnae" is used in Scottish parlance all the time. I've never thought of it as an odd word.

lol
cultural difference spell doom for town.

[bozotheclown]

There's roles that we legitimately shouldn't claim, your running a gambit again, for WHAT?

The point is that the vote leader is eventually going to have to claim whether they want to or not to try to avoid getting lynched. I am suggesting this happens before EOD when there is little time to react and not everyone will be online.

This logic sucks donkey balls. I've been the lead wagon loads of times, and on many of those occasions I ended up avoiding the lynch without claiming. How many times does the lead wagon at 24hrs go on to dissipate and be replaced by a totally different wagon? Let me tell you how often: It happens VERY FREQUENTLY.

You're talking as if it's a certainty that the lead wagon at 24 hours from EoD always either has to claim on the block, or will be lynched. That is a steaming pile of crap. It's just false. You're talking rubbish, Bozo.

The difference is that typically their is not an agreement that the vote leader at 24 hours should claim their role.

[e.m.c^42]

##CALL GM

Is it a correct interpretation that if the assassin exits from the game, they still count against the town's win condition, so that it is impossible for town to win?

##GM Note

Correct. Only a mafia or third party win is possible after the assassin fulfills their contract.

[dargorygel]

... and now I wonder of Jamie's alternate 'g' word would count in the triggering sequence.

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM

Is it a correct interpretation that if the assassin exits from the game, they still count against the town's win condition, so that it is impossible for town to win?

##GM Note

Correct. Only a mafia or third party win is possible after the assassin fulfills their contract.

I think this is a problem with the setup then, the town would be expected to keep playing after they have already lost.

[bozotheclown]

For or against the 24 hour vote leader claiming, everyone please vote:

in favor: bozo, Kitsune, Kalel
opposed: Jamie, dargorygel, damo
abstentions: BunnyGo, BobMcBob

[Kitsune]

fwiw
Two people have used the 'g' word so far:
TrPrado
Kitsune

I am going to plant a vote on Kitsune. I know, poor kitsune died so soon in our first phase. But using the 'g' word in the way she did would be very clever. And I could imagine her wanting to blatantly use the 'g' word, to get it out of the way. And she hasn't had a chance to speak to her QT mates about 'patience.'

##VOTE KITSUNE

I won't be as active today.

Reading the role though dargo, it only works if the words are used in order.

The phrase the pays has an N word that comes before the g-word, and if you look carefully over my post with the g-word you'll find I haven't used it anywhere.

Definitely not before the g-word.

No promises I won't use the n-word inadvertently in future posts, but this would not enable me to RickRoll even if I had the role and wanted to.

Neither is the case :)

You did use the "N" word.
Same post as the "G" word. A couple of paragraphs later.
And I wonder, myself, if the exact phraseology of the role description would allow BOTH words in the same post. Since the order might simply mean the post order. Or could.
The fact that you didn't 'notice' you used the N word is suspicious.

Ugh you're right, I can't believe I missed that.

I read over it before I posted, and then again after you posted the above.

I was on the point of denying it and challenging you to prove your claim when I tried the bot on it and sure enough, there it was... damn it.

On the other hand, it is after the g-word and the role reads:

so long as each word is spelled exactly and they are posted in order

##CALL GM - IF I was the Mafia Hammerer and had the relevant powers and restrictions, would my use of the g-word and n-word in my first post be valid for the role?

Similarly I read Jamie's near-g-word as not counting as the word is not spelled exactly and has an e on the end.

[BunnyGo]

... and now I wonder of Jamie's alternate 'g' word would count in the triggering sequence.

Again, I’m not looking at the role sheet but I recall you can hide words in plain sight.

[dargorygel]

I've been looking at Game Version 1 and Game Version Redux regarding the massclaim...
@Kitsune, last time you said you'd take part in the massclaim if at least five others agreed.... this time you are more open.
Has anything changed in your view of the massclaim that makes it more acceptable?

(good GM calls, btw)

[FlaviusAetius]

As above, the only way that bozo's plan has any shot at working is if a) we pick the point at which these claims happen for a reason, not because the clock has changed, and b) more than one person claims (and I would argue at least five, as that seems to me a fair number where the validity of said claims may come into question for one or two claimants, thus narrowing our pool for today and for later).

The top wagon is going to claim eventually, they are not going to let themselves get lynched without claiming. I am suggesting this happens at a time that is not ideal for the mafia or third party if they are the one who will end up claiming.

What if the person forced to claim is one of our actually good roles, now we lost that person during the night...

[bozotheclown]

In M49 (yes I know. Shush, it's all I have to go on) I found that bozo was pushing a plan I didn't entirely agree with and seemed to push it despite attempts to distract him into doing something else. As a result and developing my town hunting techniques I voted to lynch him on Day 1 and he flipped town.

Sorry Kitsune, I do not see how this could be anything except a scum slip, because you were mafia in M49, and therefore knew I was town.

##VOTE Kitsune

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, Bozo, that relies, apparently, on everyone having cast a valid vote by 24h. I bet you 20 Zimbabwean Dollars that that won't happen. Some people haven't even posted yet, let alone voted.

100% agree coordinated town things like this never work out well, just let the argument happen if someone feels they have no choice but to die or claim, claim, until then fight for your life, also a claim shouldn’t be your automatic excuse to be free of all things, so I think there is some argument to not claiming at the exact EoD REGARDLESS 24 hours is too early

[bozotheclown]

As above, the only way that bozo's plan has any shot at working is if a) we pick the point at which these claims happen for a reason, not because the clock has changed, and b) more than one person claims (and I would argue at least five, as that seems to me a fair number where the validity of said claims may come into question for one or two claimants, thus narrowing our pool for today and for later).

The top wagon is going to claim eventually, they are not going to let themselves get lynched without claiming. I am suggesting this happens at a time that is not ideal for the mafia or third party if they are the one who will end up claiming.

What if the person forced to claim is one of our actually good roles, now we lost that person during the night...

As I said, the vote leader will eventually have to claim to avoid getting lynched, even if they are town with a good role that the mafia will want to night kill. I am suggesting this happens when we still have time to discuss the claim.

[Temasek22]

Mafia scum, or third party scum?

Mafia, with that little possibility of third party

Elaborate!

bo posted a lot more after that little fight. Which side are you leaning for him now?

Bo died a doc, but tbf he seemed more scummy than damo during their squabble. I think I'll put my vote on damo now ##vote damo

[bozotheclown]

Also, Bozo, that relies, apparently, on everyone having cast a valid vote by 24h. I bet you 20 Zimbabwean Dollars that that won't happen. Some people haven't even posted yet, let alone voted.

100% agree coordinated town things like this never work out well, just let the argument happen if someone feels they have no choice but to die or claim, claim, until then fight for your life, also a claim shouldn’t be your automatic excuse to be free of all things, so I think there is some argument to not claiming at the exact EoD REGARDLESS 24 hours is too early

OK, we could do it 4 hours before EOD, but waiting until the last few minutes of the day only benefits the mafia and third parties.