M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[Jamiet99uk]

Congrats, Squigs with one g... hope you get the job!

Why Jamie? And why start where we left off when we got new roles?

Because I accidentally (read: purposefully) initiated the jokepost phase. Also, hey mafia buddies, how are you all?

@Bob: Dargorygel asked Squigs a question.

Why did you answer it?

[TrPrado]

##VOTE BOZO

Didn't want to step on bo's toes for that conversation in terms of revealing him not being serious. Don't think damo looks very bad for it though.

[Kitsune]

I think the only benefit with this claiming plan is to catch a 3P. Scum can hide (until if/when their fake role can be claimed) if they are leading and thus we move to a mislynch.

I think it risks exposure for a non-game advancing catch.

It's not as good as lynching mafia-scum, but I don't see a downside on lynching 3P and keeping town alive.

Lynching NK Tanner is neutral. Lynching Arsonist before they can douse half the town in petrol is a remarkably good idea. Ditto the infector, although infection is less immediately lethal.

Far, but that requires a 3P to be in the crosshairs, which is unlikely.

The most likely outcome is you'll just expose a town player to the scum team to narrow down the pool of candidates for the 'important' roles, thus making their job easier.

I'm sorry, I hadn't caught up. Was still thinking in terms of the mass claim (which I'm broadly against, but was considering the implications as giving the game to assassin isn't suicide for town).

Aight, leaving that alone I like Kal's idea around pushing an early reveal. I would very much prefer to have something more meaningful than disliking other people's communication to base my final vote on, so by all means let's say the highest scumread based on wagon (or wait, let's say the highest two scumreads?) at the end of 24 hours claims. That will give us something to pick apart (as well as voting on the wagons and subsequent movement).

Yes, let's do this.

[BunnyGo]

[damo666]

Doesn't work because of timezones.

[Jamiet99uk]

I thought we were going to leave how dumb you can be in the past

Mass claiming is being discussed, Kalel suggested another idea, and I suggested a modification of Kalel' s idea. Instead of participating in any of these discussions, you implied that you were not going to contribute to day 1.

No, I reaction tested and damo waltzed right in.

What was your "reaction test" and what did you learn from it?

[damo666]

Not feeling well?

[bozotheclown]

I am suggesting we accelerate the day, if we don't, the town player would still have to claim his role at EOD, giving that information to the mafia, and most likely another town player would get lynched.

How would you accelerate the day? Hammer it?

No, by a consensus agreement that the vote leader at 24 hours must claim or get lynched for refusing to claim.

[bozotheclown]

Mass claiming is being discussed, Kalel suggested another idea, and I suggested a modification of Kalel' s idea. Instead of participating in any of these discussions, you implied that you were not going to contribute to day 1.

No, I reaction tested and damo waltzed right in.

To your point, though, I have no interest in a massclaim discussion. You can find a quote from past games if you want to know why it's a stupid idea that I will never participate in on day 1.

How about agreeing that the vote leader at 24 hours must claim their role?

[bozotheclown]

It's not as good as lynching mafia-scum, but I don't see a downside on lynching 3P and keeping town alive.

Lynching NK Tanner is neutral. Lynching Arsonist before they can douse half the town in petrol is a remarkably good idea. Ditto the infector, although infection is less immediately lethal.

Far, but that requires a 3P to be in the crosshairs, which is unlikely.

The most likely outcome is you'll just expose a town player to the scum team to narrow down the pool of candidates for the 'important' roles, thus making their job easier.

I'm sorry, I hadn't caught up. Was still thinking in terms of the mass claim (which I'm broadly against, but was considering the implications as giving the game to assassin isn't suicide for town).

Aight, leaving that alone I like Kal's idea around pushing an early reveal. I would very much prefer to have something more meaningful than disliking other people's communication to base my final vote on, so by all means let's say the highest scumread based on wagon (or wait, let's say the highest two scumreads?) at the end of 24 hours claims. That will give us something to pick apart (as well as voting on the wagons and subsequent movement).

Yes, let's do this.

I like the idea of the top two vote leaders claiming, but we should probably get consensus on one claiming first.

[Kitsune]

No, I reaction tested and damo waltzed right in.

To your point, though, I have no interest in a massclaim discussion. You can find a quote from past games if you want to know why it's a stupid idea that I will never participate in on day 1.

How about agreeing that the vote leader at 24 hours must claim their role?

I support this idea. I don’t have a better one at least and while Dargo will deny me soup if I claim newbie I’m still too inexperienced to know all of your metas.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE BOZO

Didn't want to step on bo's toes for that conversation in terms of revealing him not being serious. Don't think damo looks very bad for it though.

Please explain why Bozo is scum?

[BunnyGo]

Not feeling well?

Nope. Been reading this discussion. It’s going nowhere. And saying nothing. And I know it’s day 1.

[bozotheclown]

Please everyone vote on requesting the vote leader at 24 hours to claim their role.

in favor: bozo, Kitsune
opposed:

[Jamiet99uk]

#opposed

I'm generally against forcing people to claim

[TrPrado]

##VOTE BOZO

Didn't want to step on bo's toes for that conversation in terms of revealing him not being serious. Don't think damo looks very bad for it though.

Please explain why Bozo is scum?

His vote of bo seemed to feel to some degree that he was going for an easier kill. Bozo's reasons felt somewhat more fake than what damo gave as his reasons.

[BobMcBob]

I understand that some people have expressed that they do not like the idea of mass claiming because they think it adversely effects the quality of the game. However, in my opinion, town should not be expected to play suboptimally because some players prefer playing without a mass claim, the setup should prevent town from benefiting from a mass claim if the goal is to keep a mass claim from "ruining " the game. I believe a mass claim would still benefit town with the current setup, since the assassin winning does not prevent town from winning also.

Exactly my thoughts.

The assasin being able to kill makes the strategy a little more costly possibly, although not necessarily (it depends on what roles they have to kill), but it still looks like the best strategy as it forces all scum to commit to a role early and before consultation.

One of the GM notes going into this (also reflected in the updates to the role list) is that scum are each getting an individual fake claim role they can use. Also for the record, as scum last time I was kind of HOPING it would end up happening. We had a role that was non-confirmable, a role that we could easily fake a confirm for, and a role that by its very nature doesn't want to be confirmed. The only one we wouldn't have been able to pull off was innocent child. We were all very comfortable with the possibility of a massclaim, so I'm gonna go all in on saying this is a bad idea now.

Still catching up on my reading, but 100% agree with this. Last game scum landed the absolute greatest fake claim roles (probably by design), so a massclaim would mostly have just picked out 3p's and been incredibly good for scum. I'm a little on the fence about a massclaim, because it's not as straightforward as some people are pushing it as.

[bo_sox48]

Mass claiming is being discussed, Kalel suggested another idea, and I suggested a modification of Kalel' s idea. Instead of participating in any of these discussions, you implied that you were not going to contribute to day 1.

No, I reaction tested and damo waltzed right in.

What was your "reaction test" and what did you learn from it?

My "reaction test" was posting inconsequentially twice, and then posting a third time to say I was done posting. I offered up a hook for someone who wanted something easy to jump on, and damo went for it. Therefore, what we learned is that damo is antsy and trigger happy. He is ready to jump on something easy, something that any good town player would either laugh or roll their eyes at and move on recognizing that it was hardly serious. More damning than that to me is that that was damo's first post of the game. Casting a vote implies that you have read the thread, but if he had read the thread, he would have been eager to post something other than that, right? If nothing in the first five pages was worth commenting on but my reaction test was worth a vote, he's not reading well, if at all. Consider him a scumread of mine, and consider my vote on him legitimate.

[bo_sox48]

No, I reaction tested and damo waltzed right in.

To your point, though, I have no interest in a massclaim discussion. You can find a quote from past games if you want to know why it's a stupid idea that I will never participate in on day 1.

How about agreeing that the vote leader at 24 hours must claim their role?

Why 24 hours? Why not 12 hours? Why not 6 hours? Likewise, why not give the various daytime killing roles we may have a chance to do their jobs?

I may support this if it your idea were to do something meaningful for a good reason, but instead you'd like to do something meaningful at the pass of an arbitrary number.

[BobMcBob]

##VOTE xorxes

BunnyG, it will only prove you're not Ricky, but you could still be a different memefia role

You don’t want to catch Ricky for free? What’s wrong with you?

Read my statement again

I'm not sure if this gets cleared up later, but the rickroller can now delay the phase end for up to 12 hours after posting. I'm not sure if Bunny was misunderstanding that accidentally or on purpose.
##Vote BunnyGo