M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[TrPrado]

Exactly my thoughts.

The assasin being able to kill makes the strategy a little more costly possibly, although not necessarily (it depends on what roles they have to kill), but it still looks like the best strategy as it forces all scum to commit to a role early and before consultation.

One of the GM notes going into this (also reflected in the updates to the role list) is that scum are each getting an individual fake claim role they can use. Also for the record, as scum last time I was kind of HOPING it would end up happening. We had a role that was non-confirmable, a role that we could easily fake a confirm for, and a role that by its very nature doesn't want to be confirmed. The only one we wouldn't have been able to pull off was innocent child. We were all very comfortable with the possibility of a massclaim, so I'm gonna go all in on saying this is a bad idea now.

In that case, you would all have been in the very small lynchpool remaining after the massclaim. The only reason you were all comfortable is that you did not understand what would happen. Claiming a role does not make you lynch immune.

But one scum wouldn't have been in the lynch pool. There are multiple roles where scum are capable of sneaking out of the lynch pool.

[Vaporwave]

It won't prove that at all.

because of that 12 hour period?

No because of the part about the hammerer having to PM to GM with their intention. Did you do that in the first game, or was that part just added?

Yes, I've talked to him about doing it

I'm glad I won't have to deal with that pester role and I officially hate the song

[worcej]

I was getting pretty annoyed in the first version of this game with how much of it was about trying to break the spirit of the game just to get a town win. I don't play Mafia here to just win no matter what - I play to investigate, push cases, and get reactions.

I hope you understand why, regardless of any alignment, I will not cooperate in a mass-claim on D1 because of this.

So you're willing for town to loose for your selfish fun?

No, I think it is just shitty to try to break the setup and find easy routes
to win instead of actually hunting and investigating.

IMO - This is why, in vanilla games, usually the mafia teams dominate because the overall hunting skills of players here is low.

[worcej]

I was getting pretty annoyed in the first version of this game with how much of it was about trying to break the spirit of the game just to get a town win. I don't play Mafia here to just win no matter what - I play to investigate, push cases, and get reactions.

I hope you understand why, regardless of any alignment, I will not cooperate in a mass-claim on D1 because of this.

It may be your opinion that a mass claim is against "the spirit of the game", but in my opinion deliberately playing in a suboptimal manner so the game plays out a certain way is against "the spirit of the game".

Agreed, if massclaim 'breaks' this kind of game then it's better for us to break it now so the GMs can adjust games in the future, rather than to leave an obvious loophole.

Absolutely not. It's shitty and as someone who GM's it takes a lot away from wanting to run games if all you do as players is focus on the mechanics.

[bozotheclown]

I was getting pretty annoyed in the first version of this game with how much of it was about trying to break the spirit of the game just to get a town win. I don't play Mafia here to just win no matter what - I play to investigate, push cases, and get reactions.

I hope you understand why, regardless of any alignment, I will not cooperate in a mass-claim on D1 because of this.

It may be your opinion that a mass claim is against "the spirit of the game", but in my opinion deliberately playing in a suboptimal manner so the game plays out a certain way is against "the spirit of the game".

Well, with all due respect, your opinion blows.

What do you think of trying some variant of Kalel's idea? I suggest we agree that the vote leader after 24 hours should claim his role or get lynched for refusing to do so.

[bozotheclown]

One of the GM notes going into this (also reflected in the updates to the role list) is that scum are each getting an individual fake claim role they can use. Also for the record, as scum last time I was kind of HOPING it would end up happening. We had a role that was non-confirmable, a role that we could easily fake a confirm for, and a role that by its very nature doesn't want to be confirmed. The only one we wouldn't have been able to pull off was innocent child. We were all very comfortable with the possibility of a massclaim, so I'm gonna go all in on saying this is a bad idea now.

In that case, you would all have been in the very small lynchpool remaining after the massclaim. The only reason you were all comfortable is that you did not understand what would happen. Claiming a role does not make you lynch immune.

But one scum wouldn't have been in the lynch pool. There are multiple roles where scum are capable of sneaking out of the lynch pool.

What were the fake roles?

[worcej]

I haven't read anything yet, but I presume we're talking about massclaims again?

Unfortunately...

[TrPrado]

In that case, you would all have been in the very small lynchpool remaining after the massclaim. The only reason you were all comfortable is that you did not understand what would happen. Claiming a role does not make you lynch immune.

But one scum wouldn't have been in the lynch pool. There are multiple roles where scum are capable of sneaking out of the lynch pool.

What were the fake roles?

Oh, didn't realize they weren't posted. We had anti-encryptor (non-confirmable), friendly neighbor (fakeable), lover (confirming would be against town win condition), and innocent child.

[KalelChase]

because of that 12 hour period?

No because of the part about the hammerer having to PM to GM with their intention. Did you do that in the first game, or was that part just added?

Yes, I've talked to him about doing it

I'm glad I won't have to deal with that pester role and I officially hate the song

It has been going through my head all day and I blame Chaq.

[xorxes]

One of the GM notes going into this (also reflected in the updates to the role list) is that scum are each getting an individual fake claim role they can use. Also for the record, as scum last time I was kind of HOPING it would end up happening. We had a role that was non-confirmable, a role that we could easily fake a confirm for, and a role that by its very nature doesn't want to be confirmed. The only one we wouldn't have been able to pull off was innocent child. We were all very comfortable with the possibility of a massclaim, so I'm gonna go all in on saying this is a bad idea now.

In that case, you would all have been in the very small lynchpool remaining after the massclaim. The only reason you were all comfortable is that you did not understand what would happen. Claiming a role does not make you lynch immune.

But one scum wouldn't have been in the lynch pool. There are multiple roles where scum are capable of sneaking out of the lynch pool.

Maybe they wouldn't be in the lynchpool as the first choice, but nobody would be cleared if they are not actually mechanically cleared, obviously. What role was that, BTW?

[damo666]

Well that's my two posts. See yall later.

##Vote bo_sox

[worcej]

What do you think of trying some variant of Kalel's idea? I suggest we agree that the vote leader after 24 hours should claim his role or get lynched for refusing to do so.

I think the only benefit with this claiming plan is to catch a 3P. Scum can hide (until if/when their fake role can be claimed) if they are leading and thus we move to a mislynch.

I think it risks exposure for a non-game advancing catch.

[bo_sox48]

Well that's my two posts. See yall later.

##Vote bo_sox

Thanks for making this game so bloody easy.

##VOTE damo

[damo666]

Well that's my two posts. See yall later.

##Vote bo_sox

Thanks for making this game so bloody easy.

##VOTE damo

Sure?

[bozotheclown]

But one scum wouldn't have been in the lynch pool. There are multiple roles where scum are capable of sneaking out of the lynch pool.

What were the fake roles?

Oh, didn't realize they weren't posted. We had anti-encryptor (non-confirmable), friendly neighbor (fakeable), lover (confirming would be against town win condition), and innocent child.

How do you fake friendly neighbor, claiming you revealed to another mafia?

[damo666]

I challenge bo to be first to claim

[bo_sox48]

I don't give a shit

[bozotheclown]

Well that's my two posts. See yall later.

##Vote bo_sox

Thanks for making this game so bloody easy.

##VOTE damo

I like damo's vote better.

##VOTE bo_sox

[worcej]

I don't give a shit

I missed you.

[Kitsune]

What do you think of trying some variant of Kalel's idea? I suggest we agree that the vote leader after 24 hours should claim his role or get lynched for refusing to do so.

I think the only benefit with this claiming plan is to catch a 3P. Scum can hide (until if/when their fake role can be claimed) if they are leading and thus we move to a mislynch.

I think it risks exposure for a non-game advancing catch.

It's not as good as lynching mafia-scum, but I don't see a downside on lynching 3P and keeping town alive.

Lynching NK Tanner is neutral. Lynching Arsonist before they can douse half the town in petrol is a remarkably good idea. Ditto the infector, although infection is less immediately lethal.