M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[BobMcBob]

Congrats, Squigs with one g... hope you get the job!

Why Jamie? And why start where we left off when we got new roles?

Because I accidentally (read: purposefully) initiated the jokepost phase. Also, hey mafia buddies, how are you all?

[Squigs44]

For reals though the 5th mafia this game changes the dynamics a bit. 13 town, 5 mafia, and 3 3rd partys, ouch. Massclaiming has become less attractive, especially if things go south with the newly revised assassin or other 3ps.

[dargorygel]

3P would be a main reason to Massclaim, they don't have disguises.

But in general, it seems to me that the Massclaim is dangerous for town (even if more dangerous to scum and 3p.) The assassin power makes massclaiming suicide for our 'good' roles.

But I am happy to discuss it. Bozo? Xorxes?

[dargorygel]

SO... Bob... did you random scum again?

[dargorygel]

For reals though the 5th mafia this game changes the dynamics a bit. 13 town, 5 mafia, and 3 3rd partys, ouch. Massclaiming has become less attractive, especially if things go south with the newly revised assassin or other 3ps.

Aye. It might become more attractive later in the game. Says captain obvious.

[Squigs44]

Congrats, Squigs with one g... hope you get the job!

Why Jamie? And why start where we left off when we got new roles?

My vote is to punish Jamie for renumbering me as 0 instead of 44.

[dargorygel]

Congrats, Squigs with one g... hope you get the job!

Why Jamie? And why start where we left off when we got new roles?

My vote is to punish Jamie for renumbering me as 0 instead of 44.

Ah, so same song, different verse.

[dargorygel]

Did he seem like he was suffering in the first D1? From your punishment, I mean.

[Kitsune]

Congrats, Squigs with one g... hope you get the job!

Why Jamie? And why start where we left off when we got new roles?

My vote is to punish Jamie for renumbering me as 0 instead of 44.

I nominate Squigs to recruit for M54 and find someone to run a setting with 44 players in it, just so he can reserve the lucky spot for himself.

[Squigs44]

Did he seem like he was suffering in the first D1? From your punishment, I mean.

Well if Vapor had Rick rolled early he would have. One can only hope so much...

[worcej]

For reals though the 5th mafia this game changes the dynamics a bit. 13 town, 5 mafia, and 3 3rd partys, ouch. Massclaiming has become less attractive, especially if things go south with the newly revised assassin or other 3ps.

You can thank me for this. I just couldn't not join now that a restart was issued.

[bozotheclown]

I understand that some people have expressed that they do not like the idea of mass claiming because they think it adversely effects the quality of the game. However, in my opinion, town should not be expected to play suboptimally because some players prefer playing without a mass claim, the setup should prevent town from benefiting from a mass claim if the goal is to keep a mass claim from "ruining " the game. I believe a mass claim would still benefit town with the current setup, since the assassin winning does not prevent town from winning also.

[Squigs44]

Usually darg is really hard for me to read but I'm getting some serious town vibes from him already.

[worcej]

I understand that some people have expressed that they do not like the idea of mass claiming because they think it adversely effects the quality of the game. However, in my opinion, town should not be expected to play suboptimally because some players prefer playing without a mass claim, the setup should prevent town from benefiting from a mass claim if the goal is to keep a mass claim from "ruining " the game. I believe a mass claim would still benefit town with the current setup, since the assassin winning does not prevent town from winning also.

You should've just stopped at this.

[dargorygel]

I didn't have a chance to comment yesterday, but here is my take on massclaim. It is unlikely a massclaim will happen this early. It would take full participation to be effective, right? And there are already a few who don't like it. SO I wonder if it is a safe thing to push for a scum (or i suppose 3p) who wants to appear to be proposing a pro-town thing. Knowing it won't come to it.

However, later in the game we will have more likely a full support Massclaim. THEN I would be more open, because a push for it would seem (to me) more realistic.

[xorxes]

I'm not sure how the Assasin is a big deterrent for a mass claim. If I understand correctly we don't lose if the Assasin wins, they just "exit from the game upon completion of their contract". So a masscalim facilitates their win but it does not cause us to lose, and some of the roles they have to kill might be scum roles also. So it's not very clear to me that a massclaim is a bad idea just because of the Assasin. It is maybe slightly worse, but not a terrible idea.

[worcej]

I was getting pretty annoyed in the first version of this game with how much of it was about trying to break the spirit of the game just to get a town win. I don't play Mafia here to just win no matter what - I play to investigate, push cases, and get reactions.

I hope you understand why, regardless of any alignment, I will not cooperate in a mass-claim on D1 because of this.

[dargorygel]

I'd be interested in a vote thing, though... like someone started yesterday/today.

[bozotheclown]

3P would be a main reason to Massclaim, they don't have disguises.

But in general, it seems to me that the Massclaim is dangerous for town (even if more dangerous to scum and 3p.) The assassin power makes massclaiming suicide for our 'good' roles.

But I am happy to discuss it. Bozo? Xorxes?

The assassin has no incentive to go after our good roles, he would use his 2 shots to hit 2 of his targets. If his third target gets lynched or night killed, he exits the game and wins, but town can still win, if I am interpreting the role description correctly.

[bozotheclown]

I understand that some people have expressed that they do not like the idea of mass claiming because they think it adversely effects the quality of the game. However, in my opinion, town should not be expected to play suboptimally because some players prefer playing without a mass claim, the setup should prevent town from benefiting from a mass claim if the goal is to keep a mass claim from "ruining " the game. I believe a mass claim would still benefit town with the current setup, since the assassin winning does not prevent town from winning also.

You should've just stopped at this.

I am sure the third parties agree with you.