MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[rdrivera2005]

Kalel also voting end does look a bit like a noob being coached but not being coached well enough at being scum.

I can't see how voting end is scummy here. It accomplishes two goals;
1) It could potentially mess with SK and the power stone timing.
2) I think it would have reset our phases to a more rational cycle. It's actually a way that a Town coalition could simulate the time-stone.

Usually an end vote doesn't change the EOD time, the next phase is extended.
I suspect everyone who jumped on Bunny boat without a single thought about it and you are one.

[Chaqa]

##GM NOTE

Yellow lights shown around Dargy

He is revealed to be VISION, a vanilla town

Dargo, dude... why do you do shit like this every game. You know they're just going to steal your stone now, right?

[Chaqa]

##GM NOTE

Yellow lights shown around Dargy

He is revealed to be VISION, a vanilla town

Dargo, dude... why do you do shit like this every game. You know they're just going to steal your stone now, right?

E.P., protect Dargo. Tem, watch someone who we suspect to be scum so we can hopefully catch them in the act. One of you will hopefully connect.

[KalelChase]

Good lordy... 11 of us left. SK has at least a +2.

It's going to be a long night.

[KalelChase]

##GM NOTE

Yellow lights shown around Dargy

He is revealed to be VISION, a vanilla town

Dargo, dude... why do you do shit like this every game. You know they're just going to steal your stone now, right?

Unless he hands it off to someone else.

[KalelChase]

##GM NOTE

Yellow lights shown around Dargy

He is revealed to be VISION, a vanilla town

Dargo, dude... why do you do shit like this every game. You know they're just going to steal your stone now, right?

E.P., protect Dargo. Tem, watch someone who we suspect to be scum so we can hopefully catch them in the act. One of you will hopefully connect.

Chaqa, this is your clean townie list?
Dargy (obviously)
EP
Temp
Jamie

What's your scum list and why? I'll use this as my starting point for ISO reviews of yesterday.

[KalelChase]

Good lordy... 11 of us left. SK has at least a +2.

It's going to be a long night.

4 scum... 10 left.

[Nephthys]

ooof, Guess I owe you guys an apology. I was quite wrong. I will hold my word so feel free to lynch me next if damo can convince you.

[Nephthys]

Fun fact: was also wrong about vision

[Nephthys]

Gonna take some time off then come back with fresh eyes

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE

Yellow lights shown around Dargy

He is revealed to be VISION, a vanilla town

Dargo, dude... why do you do shit like this every game. You know they're just going to steal your stone now, right?

It's no big deal. I'll give it to someone. Send suggestions.
Because I give it away, they won't kill me... And we'll have a clear. That wasy purpose with xorxes. Town can use clears. No one else was I sure of. But me.
So I self read. Last time I didn't use it on myself and damo shot me. So I cleared me and will pass it now.

[dargorygel]

Night.

[Chaqa]

Dargo, dude... why do you do shit like this every game. You know they're just going to steal your stone now, right?

E.P., protect Dargo. Tem, watch someone who we suspect to be scum so we can hopefully catch them in the act. One of you will hopefully connect.

Chaqa, this is your clean townie list?
Dargy (obviously)
EP
Temp
Jamie

What's your scum list and why? I'll use this as my starting point for ISO reviews of yesterday.

Yeah, they're all clear as far as I can tell. At this point, i guess EMC was just a VT. If he wasn't, Tem is the most likely fake claimer.

[Chaqa]

My current read of the game:

Town (Caveat: Temasek or Espresso could be fake due to EMC death)
- Jamiet (Vigilante)
- Temasek (Tracker)
- Espresso (Doctor)
- Dargo (Vision)

SK/Scum Candidates:
- Neph
- Rivera
- Kitsune
- Kalel

Scum Pool:
- Chaqa
- Damo
- Foodcoats
- Foxcastle
- Maniac
- Sulit
- Vaporwave


I am currently feeling very good that Rivera isn't SK due to his unvote. Neph making such an outrageous and wild push wouldn't happen if he was SK, so he is also off the hook (even more strongly than Rivera). Therefore, the SK is in the group, and roughly in order of likelihood:

Kalel/Kitsune > Rivera >>> Neph

I strongly townread Foodcoats and moderately town read Sulit.

I believe the scum team to be Damo, Vapor, KalEl, and Maniac.

I believe the SK to be Kitsune, or possibly Rivera.

[Kitsune]

Clint Barton: [he suddenly throws her down] Tell my family I love them.


BunnyGo has DIED, they were CLINT BARTON, aka Hawkeye, a vanilla townie

N3 has begun, you may post!!

Oh god damn it, not again.

I saw clues and thought they were strongly indicative, but apparently my judgement is still lousy. Assuming I survive the night (and at this point my best use to Town may just be taking it in the neck) I'm going to need to rethink how I approach my reads and stop taking everything on the surface for granted.

That said, I honestly do still feel Neph is town and I think we need to keep his level of detailed investigation in play more than we need to take out our mutual embarrassment over killing Hawkeye on his willing carcass.

[Chaqa]

Day 1

bozotheclown(8) Nephthys rdrivera2005 BunnyGo Kitsune, KalelChase brainbomb EspressoPatronum
ND(7) Jamiet99uk Chaqa yuuki foodcoats Foxcastle bozotheclown Vaporwave
Maniac(2) xorxes EMC
EspressoPatronum(1) Maniac
Vaporwave(1) dargorygel
Chaqa(1) ND
KalelChase(1) Temasek22
dargorygel(1) damo666
EMC (1) bozotheclown

Day 2 (before extension)

Maniac(11) damo666 Foxcastle dargorygel Chaqa rdrivera2005 foodcoats Nephthys xorxes BunnyGo Sulit EspressoPatronum
EspressoPatronum(3) Vaporwave KalelChase Maniac
yuuki (2) Temasek22 Jamiet99uk
Vaporwave(1) yuuki

Day 2 (final)

yuuki(7) Temasek22, Jamiet99uk EspressoPatronum Chaqa xorxes Foxcastle rdrivera2005 Maniac
Maniac(5) damo666 dargorygel foodcoats sulit yuuki
EspressoPatronum (2)Vaporwave KalelChase
Temasek22 (1) BunnyGo
KalelChase(1) Nephthys

Day 3 (before Tem claim)

Temasek22 (9) Jamiet99uk BunnyGo damo666 rdrivera2005 dargorygel Vaporwave Chaqa KalelChase Maniac
BunnyGo (4) Nephthys* Kitsune Foxcastle foodcoats
Maniac (1) sulit
Vaporwave (1) EspressoPatronum
Unvote (1) Temasek22

Day 3 (final)

BunnyGo (8) Nephthys* Kitsune Foxcastle foodcoats Temasek22 KalelChase* damo666 dargorygel
Temasek22 (2) Jamiet99uk Maniac
Maniac (2) sulit Chaqa
Vaporwave (1) EspressoPatronum
No‑Lynch (1) rdrivera2005
Nephthys (1) Vaporwave
dargorygel (1) BunnyGo

[Chaqa]

Clint Barton: [he suddenly throws her down] Tell my family I love them.


BunnyGo has DIED, they were CLINT BARTON, aka Hawkeye, a vanilla townie

N3 has begun, you may post!!

Oh god damn it, not again.

I saw clues and thought they were strongly indicative, but apparently my judgement is still lousy. Assuming I survive the night (and at this point my best use to Town may just be taking it in the neck) I'm going to need to rethink how I approach my reads and stop taking everything on the surface for granted.

That said, I honestly do still feel Neph is town and I think we need to keep his level of detailed investigation in play more than we need to take out our mutual embarrassment over killing Hawkeye on his willing carcass.

^^^ Non-town post right here. Why would mafia ever kill you, lol.

[Kitsune]

##GM NOTE

Yellow lights shown around Dargy

He is revealed to be VISION, a vanilla town

It's no big deal. I'll give it to someone. Send suggestions.
Because I give it away, they won't kill me... And we'll have a clear. That wasy purpose with xorxes. Town can use clears. No one else was I sure of. But me.
So I self read. Last time I didn't use it on myself and damo shot me. So I cleared me and will pass it now.

Wh-why?!

Just to vindicate yourself off the back of the Bunny wagon?

I don't think you were widely town-read, and now you definitely do need to get rid of that stone. I'd suggest giving it to someone else on Chaqa's list (I don't want it thank you), Neph, Rivera, Jamie or EP.

Or Tema I guess. I still read him as scummy, but I need to re-evaluate and I may be as wrong about him as I was bozo.

I'll post another read list (goddd) when I've had time to work out a new bunch of heuristics since my use of Food's don't seem to be working.

@Chaqa: Wish I was, the Thanos role looks interesting and attracted most of my attention before the game started. Sadly no, and I'll happily stand a read from newVision once the stone is powered up and abstain from any vote the rest of Town want me to if you want to run the Rdr test on me. More townclears is more good.

For now I'm going to take a break and try to clear my head, since we don't have EoD hanging over our heads any more. I'll check back in 3-4 hours to see if there's anything important to respond to, and otherwise get my new read list and heuristics out once I know what they look like.

Maybe something around reverse voting pattern, that feels like something we haven't looked at yet.

[Kitsune]

^^^ Non-town post right here. Why would mafia ever kill you, lol.

Idek. Not saying they're going to keep me alive forever (in fact, I doubt it), but my analysis has been way off with both my lynch votes.

Ngl my motivation is dwindling but I'll try to stay the course until I get knifed or lynched. Will get some air and come back to this.

[Chaqa]

Day 1

bozotheclown(8) Nephthys rdrivera2005 BunnyGo Kitsune, KalelChase brainbomb EspressoPatronum
ND(7) Jamiet99uk Chaqa yuuki foodcoats Foxcastle bozotheclown Vaporwave
Maniac(2) xorxes EMC
EspressoPatronum(1) Maniac
Vaporwave(1) dargorygel
Chaqa(1) ND
KalelChase(1) Temasek22
dargorygel(1) damo666
EMC (1) bozotheclown

Day 2 (before extension)

Maniac(11) damo666 Foxcastle dargorygel Chaqa rdrivera2005 foodcoats Nephthys xorxes BunnyGo Sulit EspressoPatronum
EspressoPatronum(3) Vaporwave KalelChase Maniac
yuuki (2) Temasek22 Jamiet99uk
Vaporwave(1) yuuki

Day 2 (final)

yuuki(7) Temasek22, Jamiet99uk EspressoPatronum Chaqa xorxes Foxcastle rdrivera2005 Maniac
Maniac(5) damo666 dargorygel foodcoats sulit yuuki
EspressoPatronum (2)Vaporwave KalelChase
Temasek22 (1) BunnyGo
KalelChase(1) Nephthys

Day 3 (before Tem claim)

Temasek22 (9) Jamiet99uk BunnyGo damo666 rdrivera2005 dargorygel Vaporwave Chaqa KalelChase Maniac
BunnyGo (4) Nephthys* Kitsune Foxcastle foodcoats
Maniac (1) sulit
Vaporwave (1) EspressoPatronum
Unvote (1) Temasek22

Day 3 (final)

BunnyGo (8) Nephthys* Kitsune Foxcastle foodcoats Temasek22 KalelChase* damo666 dargorygel
Temasek22 (2) Jamiet99uk Maniac
Maniac (2) sulit Chaqa
Vaporwave (1) EspressoPatronum
No‑Lynch (1) rdrivera2005
Nephthys (1) Vaporwave
dargorygel (1) BunnyGo

Looking now, this looks really bad for Maniac, Vapor, and KalEl.