MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

@Neph your 'rock solid' confidence level should dictate whether Kalel is a vote for or against.

[KalelChase]

I’m interest in how Yuuki got lynched yesterday. Whilst he bears some responsibility there was also eight people who sealed his fate.

**Snip**

TIA

He didn't post for like 36 hours straight at 1 point, it's a no brainer

Ironically, this is Tems last post.

[BunnyGo]

Honestly, Vision didn't use the stone before potential EoD I think it's likely town doesn't control it anymore. With that said only post your theory if you think it's so rock-solid tight that we'll bag a scum off of it. If it is and the theory holds up under peer-review I'd change my vote before bed.

The stone is on CD. It comes off tonight

Ah, right. I knew that. @Nephy, can't wait to hear your theory TOMORROW.

This makes sense to me.

[damo666]

The stone is on CD. It comes off tonight

Ah, right. I knew that. @Nephy, can't wait to hear your theory TOMORROW.

This makes sense to me.

TOMORROW might be too late.

[KalelChase]

Ah, right. I knew that. @Nephy, can't wait to hear your theory TOMORROW.

This makes sense to me.

TOMORROW might be too late.

If Neph thought the theory would effect the Tems vote I doubt they'd be so hesitant.

[BunnyGo]

If vision is legitimately worried, can gamble on passing to another town. But only one currently cleared...and that’s a pretty risky target. Especially since scum can kill one and steal the other.

[BunnyGo]

Personally, I’m more concerned that Neph has given scum the hint to look for something. I hope he’s wrong.

[damo666]

This makes sense to me.

TOMORROW might be too late.

If Neph thought the theory would effect the Tems vote I doubt they'd be so hesitant.

But if he's right item thief Bunny gets a chance to steal.

[BunnyGo]

TOMORROW might be too late.

If Neph thought the theory would effect the Tems vote I doubt they'd be so hesitant.

But if he's right item thief Bunny gets a chance to steal.

If he’s correct (he’s not) then vision is already outed to scum. And scum Loki gets a chance to kill.

[RagingIke297]

@Kalel, I notice you there but you haven't shared any thoughts, come join and discuss.

Partially due the results of my D1 behavior I'm saving drafts and re-reading before submit. So I'm going more slowly. Also, I just noticed the blue bar saying that a player is online... and I do tend to leave windows open on my computer (for hours sometime). Might be a bad habit for this game.

Okay, Meta-noise here
I also see the line at the bottom that says who is browsing this forum.
Is it cheating to browse the forum as a guest even if you're a player?
I guess I'm not sure how you'd get caught, but I notice many guests browsing now.
No rush on this one Ike, now that I'm aware of this extra surveillance I'm curious if this is a tactic some use while playing.

##Call GM

Hiding your forum activity is allowed, I think mine was for a bit / is currently

[Temasek22]

Urgh, you guys forced my hand.

I HARDCLAIM TRACKER

I did crumb. During day 1 on one of my 19 posts had the word spider. The Black Widow is a species of a spider. Another had the word zero appear three times. 0,0,0 is the RGB code of the color black.

I have previously purposely kept my post counts low to prevent getting NKed for high activity or something like that. Unfortunately for me, since halfway at D2 RL stuff got to me and I couldn't get really active.

As for the people I tracked, I previously tracked KC during N1 and EP during N2. Both had negative results.

As a last resort to try save myself... ##Vote Bunny

[damo666]

I think I know what Neph's theory is based on. If I'm right he's mistaken.

[Nephthys]

Aaaaand now Bunny dies.

[Kitsune]

Urgh, you guys forced my hand.

I HARDCLAIM TRACKER

I did crumb. During day 1 on one of my 19 posts had the word spider. The Black Widow is a species of a spider. Another had the word zero appear three times. 0,0,0 is the RGB code of the color black.

I have previously purposely kept my post counts low to prevent getting NKed for high activity or something like that. Unfortunately for me, since halfway at D2 RL stuff got to me and I couldn't get really active.

As for the people I tracked, I previously tracked KC during N1 and EP during N2. Both had negative results.

As a last resort to try save myself... ##Vote Bunny

Oh!

I thought I'd worked out who the tracker was with crumbs in their text, but it wasn't Tem. I'm not going to out my suspect now, but if we support Tem through his crumbing (and I'm simply too busy now to go back looking for this, but they're very clever crumbs if true) and then I'm even more resolute in staying with Bunny.

I was about to hop to Tem to build a SK-proof wagon, but not at the cost of losing another power role.

[BunnyGo]

Urgh, you guys forced my hand.

I HARDCLAIM TRACKER

I did crumb. During day 1 on one of my 19 posts had the word spider. The Black Widow is a species of a spider. Another had the word zero appear three times. 0,0,0 is the RGB code of the color black.

I have previously purposely kept my post counts low to prevent getting NKed for high activity or something like that. Unfortunately for me, since halfway at D2 RL stuff got to me and I couldn't get really active.

As for the people I tracked, I previously tracked KC during N1 and EP during N2. Both had negative results.

As a last resort to try save myself... ##Vote Bunny

If EP is the doctor as claimed and was RB would he still register as trying to go somewhere?

##CALL GM

[BunnyGo]

Aaaaand now Bunny dies.

Your lack of self reflection is what's wrong with the world.

[Nephthys]

Urgh, you guys forced my hand.

I HARDCLAIM TRACKER

I did crumb. During day 1 on one of my 19 posts had the word spider. The Black Widow is a species of a spider. Another had the word zero appear three times. 0,0,0 is the RGB code of the color black.

I have previously purposely kept my post counts low to prevent getting NKed for high activity or something like that. Unfortunately for me, since halfway at D2 RL stuff got to me and I couldn't get really active.

As for the people I tracked, I previously tracked KC during N1 and EP during N2. Both had negative results.

As a last resort to try save myself... ##Vote Bunny

I'm assuming the 000 thing was when you hit +1000? That seems kinda weird but the spider one is good.

[damo666]

Urgh, you guys forced my hand.

I HARDCLAIM TRACKER

I did crumb. During day 1 on one of my 19 posts had the word spider. The Black Widow is a species of a spider. Another had the word zero appear three times. 0,0,0 is the RGB code of the color black.

I have previously purposely kept my post counts low to prevent getting NKed for high activity or something like that. Unfortunately for me, since halfway at D2 RL stuff got to me and I couldn't get really active.

As for the people I tracked, I previously tracked KC during N1 and EP during N2. Both had negative results.

As a last resort to try save myself... ##Vote Bunny

If EP is the doctor as claimed and was RB would he still register as trying to go somewhere?

##CALL GM

RB adjudicated before doc so doc went nowhere hence Tracker sees nowt.

##unvote

[BunnyGo]

I was asked to ISO dargo. He seems pretty clear except for some recent inconsistencies:

Starts out nicely explaining why some rules of behaviour matter:

@Bunny
So... when foodcoats asked temasek why he was voting kit, can you see that tem gave no reason for his vote? foodcoats likely wasn't looking to be convinced or not, but rather was probs sounding out tem to see if he HAD a reason, or was doing a scummy vote without a reason. By answering FOR (sort of) tem, you might be sorta letting him off the hook. IF you want to state why kit seems scum to you... just state it. Don't help temesek out by accident.

Then has a reasonable complaint for why people jumped off a Vapor wagon:

The room went from brain saying that vapor was likely to be lynched today... to suddenly everyone bailing.
Because he claimed VT?

I don't understand the fall away from him...
This is exactly what I expect dear Vape to do when his odd acting was spotlighted.
He acted all, 'shucks... i guess I'm gonna die.' and then "oh and I'm VT."

If there was a scum QT already, he might have gotten better advice. But this tastes like scramble to me.

He even says here: "alright, it's just that I saw it happen in previous game and it didn't seem like a big deal, parties still won games, I mean if town was screwed in past games, we all know that it wasn't due to reveals, but mostly caused by poor usage of various abilities and wrong voting patterns"
Which doesn't sound like truth-tell. But more like, "hey, here's an idea that might work... I'll claim VT... it happened in previous games!"

I don't think he was soft-claiming doc... I just think he seemed VERY uncomfortable. And with his signup comments about how desparate he was to be town, this is his disappointed panic vape hat.

His day 1 reads while not perfect (whose are) look pretty decent today:

My Big List
Hero-leans
brain
chaqa
damo
darg
foodcoats
Jamie
Maniac
ND
Neph
Rdrivera
Yuuki
Worcej
Xorxes
Foxcastle

Villain-Leans (in order from most lean to least. Two ‘splainin’ words)
vapor… guilty, scared
bunny… guessing, trying
kitsune… slight, erratic
emc… hopping, nervous
Kitsune… faking, trying
bozo… waiting, cautious
espresso… I am sheeping here. I have no read on him, but can’t say, “null.”
Kalelchase… trying, new

Thoughts here are succinct and logical and pointing out what he knows and what he doesn't:

MY wife is counterclaiming being YOUR wife... I didn't even know she knew her! Always look at the bright side if life...

Hey maybe emc was killed because his voting late all the time gave THEM a bad name.

I honestly wish I hadn't caught up.

But now that you have what do you think?

I think brain is trying to stir the pot to get reactions. I don't agree with his reactions though.
I think Jamie is the viig.
I think espresso is scum
I think kit was mafia sent, but I don't know why.

This part seems circular to me:

Is anyone defending EP? Not even himself... While I'm not moving him from my scum list , I am moving to maniac. Hope others join to secure a Lynch.
##vote maniac

Explain all of this please.

I would expect if EP were scum that scum would defend him. He's been a top wagon all day. But crickets, unless missed it with my travel-reading. So I am a little unsure now
Maniac is another scum read for me... And I like the voters. So I switched.

Scum can defend someone by simply starting a different wagon. Now, it seems that EP was town, so maybe I just don't understand the meta and darg does.

This next one seems scummy:

Me, too.
##VOTE RDRIVERA
##END
Perhaps we can get a majority quickly and sidestep Thanos. AND save the Vision from wasting his look.

Voting to end right away to "save" vision using a look? That made no sense. Even worse is how it ties in to his "top 3" where does Rdr go? He was ending on him, and now not even top 3?

I have around five acres. And I have three neighbors who have goats. And they like to eat the grass on my land. I don't mind... less cutting...

But

The three herds all have their internal pecking order (mixed metaphor, I know...) But there is a strange inter-connectedness that reminds me of this room.

One leader-goat finds a bit of lush grassy area. And starts grazing. His goats follow. And so do the others. They enjoy good grass, and everyone is happy. Then one of the other leaders notices THAT lush place over there. So he goes and munches. And his herd follows. And so does everyone else.

This is what we've been doing. Someone has a good/grand/lush idea. And people follow. And we get a leading wagon. After we enjoy considering it, someone else comes up with a different grassy area. And we leave our original green spot, and form new top wagons. And then somone else...

Evenutally, we get to know the field pretty well. This is a time-proven method to find out who is who.

But in this game, we have TWO sets who know more than us. Scum knows who they are, and Thanos knows who Gammora is. AND he has the power to change the vote at the last minute.

I don't trust him. He doesn't want me to win.

What if we did this:
Let's all agree to keep our word (this is a diplomacy site... hmmm)
Then let's list our three 'most want to lynch' cnadidates.

Near to the End of Day (as near as you can) let's all vote for the Highest Agreement Candidate (HAC.)

This plan might help us avoid Thanos achieving the soul stone.
This plan might enable us (if we are clever) to avoid scum getting their desire.
This plan IS random. Slightly rational random.
This plan involves some trust.

I prefer some controlled random to Thanos' choice.

I agree to vote for the room majority, among these three candidates:
Vaporwave, Maniac, temasek.

Soooo...the last day has been unfortunately inconsistent and scummy for darg. But prior to that was decent.

[damo666]

@Neph you gonna tell us your theory or not.

I kinda got to vote now. Within 5 minutes.

If you post theory and I believe I vote Bunny, else Maniac. Or darg. Aaargghhh!