MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[dargorygel]

I have a lot of re-reading to do.

"Vision" should "look" as soon as possible. I obviously trust you.

I have to ask... how does it help us to know Gamora? Does anyone besides EP see this?

I am still interested in catching the SK. I hate that blue guy. Without restating my reasons, I'll add that if I AM Gamora... that gives me more urgency.

I've been thinking about the idea of passing stones around among 'clear-ish' people. I like keeping scum guessing, but it does leave the position of them unsure. (Reacting to Kit's discussion, mostly.) IF we could keep track of them, it would be good. But I don't see how we could. At first, I thought of proposing a 'give it back' policy. But I don't think we know who GIVES it, if we receive one.

Giving back a stone, though IS a kind of clear, if we could figure out a way to do it.

If you had a stone, who would you give it to?

Open question or for darg

I really don't think this is a valuable line of 'everyone answers.' Not till the thief is caught.

Are you the thief, Bunny? (or do we call you, "Go?")

[Chaqa]

If you had a stone, who would you give it to?

Open question or for darg

I really don't think this is a valuable line of 'everyone answers.' Not till the thief is caught.

Are you the thief, Bunny? (or do we call you, "Go?")

I suppose you’re right. I’m not sure what I was thinking.

[dargorygel]

At the risk of channeling bozo,
What do y'all think of my roots of a plan? Can a stone pass be used to provide a clear? (On the basis that Thanos and Scum wouldn't give a stone back... while a townie would.)

How could the mechanics of this work?
Perhaps...
0) once the thief is gone
a) stone holder announces the pass
b) the stone recipient keeps mum
c) the next day, the recipient returns the stone
d) Hulkoid protects the original holder (who announced) if it is at night.
e) When the stone is returned, the original clears the passee/passer IF appropriate.

[BunnyGo]

If you had a stone, who would you give it to?

Open question or for darg

I really don't think this is a valuable line of 'everyone answers.' Not till the thief is caught.

Are you the thief, Bunny? (or do we call you, "Go?")

Nah, I'm not. Wish I were. That'd be a fun role this game. Call me Bunny. I just enjoy playing Go.

[BunnyGo]

If you had a stone, who would you give it to?

Open question or for darg

I really don't think this is a valuable line of 'everyone answers.' Not till the thief is caught.

Are you the thief, Bunny? (or do we call you, "Go?")

I was thinking it as a proxy for "whom do you trust enough to pass items to" but sure, whatever. Let's not give an information to figure out this game.

[BunnyGo]

At the risk of channeling bozo,
What do y'all think of my roots of a plan? Can a stone pass be used to provide a clear? (On the basis that Thanos and Scum wouldn't give a stone back... while a townie would.)

How could the mechanics of this work?
Perhaps...
0) once the thief is gone
a) stone holder announces the pass
b) the stone recipient keeps mum
c) the next day, the recipient returns the stone
d) Hulkoid protects the original holder (who announced) if it is at night.
e) When the stone is returned, the original clears the passee/passer IF appropriate.

We currently have a claim on Hulkoid...so not likely to get any protection...

Even in ideal situation, It does *something* (??) I'm just not sure what. Basically everyone should pass the stone back. Also, scum will pass back and forth. Even Thanos doesn't need stones that badly until they are sprinting to end of game.

[rdrivera2005]

At the risk of channeling bozo,
What do y'all think of my roots of a plan? Can a stone pass be used to provide a clear? (On the basis that Thanos and Scum wouldn't give a stone back... while a townie would.)

How could the mechanics of this work?
Perhaps...
0) once the thief is gone
a) stone holder announces the pass
b) the stone recipient keeps mum
c) the next day, the recipient returns the stone
d) Hulkoid protects the original holder (who announced) if it is at night.
e) When the stone is returned, the original clears the passee/passer IF appropriate.

Dargo, you are really channeling Bozo (sorry Bozo, can't miss this chance,lol).

Town have only one sure stone now and it's the Vision one. You are really suggesting he risk giving it to scum or SK and expose himself? That's a so bad idea that I can't even say it's scummy motivated.

[BunnyGo]

At the risk of channeling bozo,
What do y'all think of my roots of a plan? Can a stone pass be used to provide a clear? (On the basis that Thanos and Scum wouldn't give a stone back... while a townie would.)

How could the mechanics of this work?
Perhaps...
0) once the thief is gone
a) stone holder announces the pass
b) the stone recipient keeps mum
c) the next day, the recipient returns the stone
d) Hulkoid protects the original holder (who announced) if it is at night.
e) When the stone is returned, the original clears the passee/passer IF appropriate.

Dargo, you are really channeling Bozo (sorry Bozo, can't miss this chance,lol).

Town have only one sure stone now and it's the Vision one. You are really suggesting he risk giving it to scum or SK and expose himself? That's a so bad idea that I can't even say it's scummy motivated.

That too.

[BunnyGo]

At the risk of channeling bozo,
What do y'all think of my roots of a plan? Can a stone pass be used to provide a clear? (On the basis that Thanos and Scum wouldn't give a stone back... while a townie would.)

How could the mechanics of this work?
Perhaps...
0) once the thief is gone
a) stone holder announces the pass
b) the stone recipient keeps mum
c) the next day, the recipient returns the stone
d) Hulkoid protects the original holder (who announced) if it is at night.
e) When the stone is returned, the original clears the passee/passer IF appropriate.

We currently have a claim on Hulkoid...so not likely to get any protection...

Even in ideal situation, It does *something* (??) I'm just not sure what. Basically everyone should pass the stone back. Also, scum will pass back and forth. Even Thanos doesn't need stones that badly until they are sprinting to end of game.

Oh...and if scum really want the stone enough to sacrifice a player, they just pass it on and get lynched...

[Chaqa]

At the risk of channeling bozo,
What do y'all think of my roots of a plan? Can a stone pass be used to provide a clear? (On the basis that Thanos and Scum wouldn't give a stone back... while a townie would.)

How could the mechanics of this work?
Perhaps...
0) once the thief is gone
a) stone holder announces the pass
b) the stone recipient keeps mum
c) the next day, the recipient returns the stone
d) Hulkoid protects the original holder (who announced) if it is at night.
e) When the stone is returned, the original clears the passee/passer IF appropriate.

Dargo, you are really channeling Bozo (sorry Bozo, can't miss this chance,lol).

Town have only one sure stone now and it's the Vision one. You are really suggesting he risk giving it to scum or SK and expose himself? That's a so bad idea that I can't even say it's scummy motivated.

So, from Day 1 we know Thanos is among the group:
- Neph
- Rivera
- Bunny
- Kitsune
- KalEl

You are assuming Thanos has the Time Stone, which would mean he/she was on the Yuuki wagon as well. Guess who the only person who fits that is?

It's you. Rivera.

He just Thanos-slipped.

Gotcha.

[dargorygel]

At the risk of channeling bozo,
What do y'all think of my roots of a plan? Can a stone pass be used to provide a clear? (On the basis that Thanos and Scum wouldn't give a stone back... while a townie would.)

How could the mechanics of this work?
Perhaps...
0) once the thief is gone
a) stone holder announces the pass
b) the stone recipient keeps mum
c) the next day, the recipient returns the stone
d) Hulkoid protects the original holder (who announced) if it is at night.
e) When the stone is returned, the original clears the passee/passer IF appropriate.

Dargo, you are really channeling Bozo (sorry Bozo, can't miss this chance,lol).

Town have only one sure stone now and it's the Vision one. You are really suggesting he risk giving it to scum or SK and expose himself? That's a so bad idea that I can't even say it's scummy motivated.

NOT saying now... with the thief around.

[Chaqa]

Thanos is not out friend.

##Vote rdrivera

Not changing this vote.

[Temasek22]

To vision:

Kalel
Vapor
and, uhh... rdr

[Temasek22]

Also, GG xorx

[Kitsune]

NOT saying now... with the thief around.

When the Thief is gone it might work with a sort of ring of round-robin and passing forward, but it would need to be done in Day Phase to avoid night kills impacting the process.

I tend to agree that it's not worth the risk.

Right now with the Thief (which I understand you're not saying) it would go from "risky" to "suicidal", at night especially.

With the order of operations the way they are, at night Yuuki could have announced he was going to pass the stone and been robbed and killed before the transfer actually took place.

At day the biggest risk is their getting lynched, and if the wrong person announces they're passing the previous owner of the stone can deny this.

[dargorygel]

Thanos is not out friend.

##Vote rdrivera

Not changing this vote.

Confident enough to 'end?'

[dargorygel]

NOT saying now... with the thief around.

When the Thief is gone it might work with a sort of ring of round-robin and passing forward, but it would need to be done in Day Phase to avoid night kills impacting the process.

I tend to agree that it's not worth the risk.

Right now with the Thief (which I understand you're not saying) it would go from "risky" to "suicidal", at night especially.

With the order of operations the way they are, at night Yuuki could have announced he was going to pass the stone and been robbed and killed before the transfer actually took place.

At day the biggest risk is their getting lynched, and if the wrong person announces they're passing the previous owner of the stone can deny this.

Aye... taking off my bozo hat
(Bozo, if you're reading this... I DO actually enjoy your plans, and think that we more often should/could follow them)

Back to reality...

Again I ask (EP, but anyone) what value does EP have in figuring out Gamora? Didn't EP just paint a target on 'someone's' back?

[Maniac]

Thanos is not out friend.

##Vote rdrivera

Not changing this vote.

Too true.

##vote rdrivera

We can't afford any more mistakes though. We have to have overwhelming numbers on Rdrivera otherwise he'll slip through our fingers. I hope we don't have to waste a Vision on rdrivera when it's pretty obvious what role he is. However, if others aren't convinced I suggest Visioning Rdrivera to ensure we lynch him today. We can still defeat Mafia later.

I'd sooner not waste a Vision this way as it deprives us of either getting a clear or better still hitting scum, but as I say we can't afford any more mistakes.

@Vision - don't act in haste today. You may have more information to go on as the day progresses

[dargorygel]

Me, too.
##VOTE RDRIVERA
##END
Perhaps we can get a majority quickly and sidestep Thanos. AND save the Vision from wasting his look.

[Kitsune]

Aye... taking off my bozo hat
(Bozo, if you're reading this... I DO actually enjoy your plans, and think that we more often should/could follow them)

Back to reality...

Again I ask (EP, but anyone) what value does EP have in figuring out Gamora? Didn't EP just paint a target on 'someone's' back?

Well, assuming he's right then he just made you unlynchable.

Doesn't help mafia to night kill you so you're safe there.
SK can't night kill until he lynches you and is in the wagon.

I think it's useful for us to find Gamora as early as we can, just complicated by the fact that you can't know that we're right. I was going to look over the Day 2 voting patterns (especially early in the day before the wagons took over) to see if there was anything I couldn't explain that might point to Thanos having more information than he should do, but I looked at the sheer chatter in Day 2 and frankly it wasn't the priority.

I still will, we have 48 hours ahead of us (plus or minus 12... please Timestone wielder, grant us rest!)