MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Kitsune]

Ah damn, missed adding emc's vote quote:

I see Maniac online :D

##vote maniac

I stick with my previous points for now, as no-one has said anything to the contrary.

[Temasek22]

I think I’m not the only one to find Kalel’s night activity extremely suspicious, it’s almost as if he has been coached imho.

What was it about my night activity you found suspicious. I chatted for a while, mostly about what I've done wrong so far, and then went to sleep.

Appreciate any clarification of your vague accusation.

You began asking a few questions that were more scum-indicative. Map chat only on at night so I thought it could be coaching.

Then again, you could be innocent town just like Cara last game, and just picked on for being new...

[Temasek22]

I think I’m not the only one to find Kalel’s night activity extremely suspicious, it’s almost as if he has been coached imho.

What was it about my night activity you found suspicious. I chatted for a while, mostly about what I've done wrong so far, and then went to sleep.

Appreciate any clarification of your vague accusation.

You began asking a few questions that were more scum-indicative. Map chat only on at night so I thought it could be coaching.

Then again, you could be innocent town just like Cara last game, and just picked on for being new...

*maf chat, not map

[Kitsune]

It's close to 1 here, but I'll be around for 30-40 min more.

Please @ me if you want to ask me anything or point out any holes in my reasoning, otherwise I'll go through everything in the morning.

[Vaporwave]

Kitsune, I came back and clicked on this site exactly during those last 2 minutes of D1, I saw bozo mentioning a stone so I reacted accordingly, looked at tally and saw ND as counterwagon

my only purpose for moving onto ND was to save bozo

our sweet, dear and non-funny clown mentioned that stone WAY TOO LATE for anyone to be able to properly switch votes

[Kitsune]

Rings plausible to me.

And your earlier, end-of-day and current reads on Maniac?

[brainbomb]

hi damo whats up

[brainbomb]

I was gonna look at rivera and kit for their role in bozo lynch but given how few people read my first 4 write ups, I will just not bother.

kit is town though

[Vaporwave]

Rings plausible to me.

And your earlier, end-of-day and current reads on Maniac?

Maniac was a breath of fresh air, his style points to someone who knows the intricate ways of how mafia game works. His main content involves a sophisticated xorxes case, but I can't take this notion seriously, supposedly xorxes used psychological tricks on his mind to see BG as scum or something. It's stuff hard to understand and it's even more difficult to swallow his case as authentic

His 'nighttime slip' where he's not aware that mafia don't have that power stone could be just him faking it.

My final take on Maniac is 'maybe baby' but I have no solid lean in any direction

[brainbomb]

maniac is fine. hes just shaking off the rust of not having played in a year

[e.m.c^42]

[snip]
So @the wagon as a whole: Why did you vote Maniac originally? Do you still feel he's suspect?

[snip]

@emc and @xorxes: What was your reasoning in both following Vapor's lead here so quickly? I'm fairly sure you weren't coordinating elsewhere (at least neither of you read scummy to my view) so does he have a meta habit of making the right call at the last second? Why did you abandon the Maniac wagon here?

tldr; I found it interesting that an entire small wagon abandoned their target within 1-2 minutes around phase end to swing to ND. My read of their messages at the time was that this was more pro-bozo (or at least bozo-claim) than anti-ND but I'd be interested in hearing their views in hindsight.

Oho. This is very nice. I like it. As to answer;

I voted Maniac originally because he greatly reminded me of someone purposefully playing out-of-touch and obfuscated (with the easy excuse of "oh I'm just rusty sorry" if prodded), and because I did not like any of the other wagons (nd bozo and idk, espresso?) then very much.

Swung to ND last moment to try to prevent tie/didn't really want bozo to die, both of which failed lmao

[e.m.c^42]

And no lol, Vapor does not have that meta history

[KalelChase]

##VOTE Bozo

RE: A lot of posts collecting data from others, but the goal seems to be just to stir the pot. I have to admit most of this is based more on who isn't and who is voting for them/others.

Kalel can you explain the second sentence better? Did you mean you suspected bozo because of your trust and/or suspicions of someone else? If so who and why?

Bozo seemed to be posting a lot of synopsis without actually putting forth a plan.
From there I decided I wasn't going to be able to suss out bad-guys so I decided to try the tactic of voting with someone I most thought for sure was a good guy. That was Kit... The fact that Bunny was on that Wagon was icing because, like I said before, I was trying to make up for the NoLynch mistake that I made early because I didn't see the value in VT NoLynch until (someone) explained it to me.

[e.m.c^42]

I was gonna look at rivera and kit for their role in bozo lynch but given how few people read my first 4 write ups, I will just not bother.

kit is town though

I did read and agree with most of them, however, have been unable to come up with any semi-intelligent arguments/responses as of yet :v

[KalelChase]

Otherways, somewhat agree with Kalel assessments so far, but the fact that he is new is still staying him from going to scum from null, as how...obvious he's been acting may be just cluelessnoob!lhf, and easy to take advantage of

Yeah, I'm clearly claiming VT (which is what anyone would do), and I'm learning as fast as I can, but if I'm screwing this up for the VTs it's probably better for them to get rid of me. I don't have a PR so it wont be the biggest loss.

I've played Bang before, but none of the others you guys mentioned. I might not be subtle enough for this, but I'm trying.

[KalelChase]

I think I’m not the only one to find Kalel’s night activity extremely suspicious, it’s almost as if he has been coached imho.

What was it about my night activity you found suspicious. I chatted for a while, mostly about what I've done wrong so far, and then went to sleep.

Appreciate any clarification of your vague accusation.

You began asking a few questions that were more scum-indicative. Map chat only on at night so I thought it could be coaching.

Then again, you could be innocent town just like Cara last game, and just picked on for being new...

Appreciate the feedback. I am still looking up terms like maf and Vig as they come up. <Joke redacted in case it would look scummy>

[brainbomb]

kit posted reads on p27 but bozo wasnt on them

Since we're doing alignments and I'm happily onboard for this (and just surfaced from delving through the pages again):

NE bozotheclown
CG brainbomb
CE BunnyGo – admittedly may be elements of OMGUS here, though trying to compensate
NG Chaqa
CG damo666
LG dargorygel
T e.m.c^42
NE EspressoPatronum
LG foodcoats
NE Foxcastle
CN Jamiet99uk
CG KalelChase
NG Kitsune
NE Maniac
LN ND
LG Nephthys
NG rdrivera2005
LE Temasek22
CG Vaporwave
CE worcej
NG xorxes
T Yuuki

but then had bozo as NE

Scum:
Bozo - On reconsidering... I think I'm actually putting Bozo here now. Combination of the two heuristics, he seems to go from keeping a low profile for long periods of time to pushing his four-row agenda and trying to enlist an increasing number of the players into subscribing to his meta for the game. Maybe he's right? I'm not sure I trust him at this point. Maybe he'll up his clarity later as players who know him better are suggesting

Kit shows signs of being highly intelligent. They are learning mafia, its terms, culture, nomenclatures on the fly.

kit is town for free flowing thought
malleability and absorption that looks like natural adjustments

##vote bozotheclown

Sorry guys. I did go to bed, but happily I’m awake again and restless enough that I followed up on the thread.

I still don’t feel I have enough real evidence to be pointing the finger at anyone, but working with the only thing we have - everyone’s communications - I’ve been trying to go off what Fox said. Except he’s now saying he doesn’t know what I’m talking about so let me summarize as well as I can what I think he said.

I believe it was off the back of one of BunnyGo’s comments and Fox (unless I’m misremembering who said it) said that he remembered how hard it was for new players to form an opinion based on an existing community meta they had no experience with. So removing himself from his meta perspective for a second we had judging based on two heuristic criteria:

1. Did the player appear to be trying to control the narrative, to shape how the judgements were being made so they could steer suspicion away from themselves or their allies (although someone - Nepthys or Jamie I think) later said that this would frequently flag an investigating town peep too, so the second criteria was better).
2. Did the player appear to be trying to keep a low profile, trying to blend into the flow of conversation without making any meaningful contributions to help develop the investigation.

In the absence of any meaningful meta information to work with - yes guys I’m sure it’s there but I only catch glimpses of it and I refuse to commit heavily against a possible lynch based on anyone’s judgement but mine, right or wrong.

Anyway I’ll be asleep again shortly but hmu in the meantime if you have any questions or I can help

the vote for bozo is aptly defended.
heres how kit wants to build their hunting system. this displays kit learning how to look for scum and what players theyre learning it from. in this case kit is influenced by fox and bunnys play.

This post is not a great reason to lynch bozo. but its not a scum indicative reason to vote bozo.

[Vaporwave]

both Nephthys and rdrivera could be scumbos again, even Temasek

I've rushed into placing Neph as town when there was no need to, I was probably influenced by his great cooking skills and forgot how crafty his mafia persona can be

as for rivera, there were a few townie moments, but as with Neph, rivera is a ruthless mafia man

[brainbomb]

last but not least
lord rivera, aka zorro

why did zorro arrive on bozo?

thru the first 30 pages rivera has never mentioned or quoted bozo

I always THINK you are scum and you always think I am scum. Obviously, we are frequently wrong, specially on D1. I know you are wrong this time, am I wrong? I don't feel you engaged as in M47

Rivera uses the argument bozo isnt as engaged as a past game.

To Bozo, right now my four guesses would be Expresso, Bozo, Kalel and Foxcastle. But some of this doesn't fit together and I need to sort Kitsume.

I have good town vibes from Nepth, Damo and Maniac the others are just meh.

the others are just meh?
jamie? me? xorxes? darg? neph?
this seems disingenuine.

..."
Maybe I am wrong about Bozo and was right about Kitsune, this reads look so fabricated

For some reason riveras worldview is only able to sub bozo out if kit is scum

I looked for further reasoning why rivera lynched bozo

there was nothing else.

rivera lynched bozo because he was not as engaged as M47

[e.m.c^42]

Rivera's attempts at consistent engagement/following the same trains of thought though make me feel like he's not that scummy, though

but perhaps he could be SK lol