Mini Mafia 1008 - Triple Agent

[bozotheclown]

im willing to losten to xorxes because hes really good at mafia and probably has this game solved with minimal effort.

fuck yucky up

If this game hasn't interested you in the least, why are you sure xorxes is town?

just so you are aware asking me questions is a plebian waste of energy.
Im eating a freezey pop right now and laying in bed

You are contradicting yourself, if you have no interest in the game, and thought the game was over, and did not care at all if you won or not, why are you bothering to make a case against me now?

[brainbomb]

somebody get this guy a happy meal hes going full Jamiet on this thread

[bozotheclown]

rdrivera's willingness to vote for damo and apparent willingness to vote for brainbomb if Ike does, and damo's resistance to voting for brainbomb have made BDY a real possibility again, so it is BEX or BDY. I would still like to see brainbomb lynched, since I know he is mafia, and I believe it should be apparent to the town that he is mafia.

[bozotheclown]

B: brainbomb
D: damo
E: Espresso
I: Ike
R: rivera
X: xorxes
Y: yuuki
Z: bozo

We started with 56 possible mafia teams (8!/5!3!), but we now know that:

D->Y
Z->Y
X->E
R->B

So with those constraints, we are left with only 17 possible teams:

BDY
BEI
BER
BEX
BEY
BIR
BIY
BRY
BYZ
DEY
DIY
DYZ
EIX
EIY
EXY
EYZ
IYZ

Someone please check I didn't make a mistake.

I checked this to make sure we did not miss something, and I got the same results.

[bozotheclown]

False. town!rivera could have a grudge against scum!yuuki, in which case he would not be willing to vote for any other scum.

Also, even if rivera just had a tip about yuuki as he said, he would still rather lynch yuuki, which is certain, and not one of the others, that are likely but uncertain. There's no reason to lynch anyone but yuuki for me, rivera or brainbomb. EP is the only one that would also be happy to lynch damo, but given the three votes for yuuki he should vote yuuki as well. The fact that you would offer yourself as a target over yuuki is also telling. If you were town you would be 100% certain that you were a mislynch, but less than 100% certain about yuuki.

False, if rdrivera has a grudge against yuuki, he is no longer town, because he only wins if yuuki is lynched, he has no reason to care if town or mafia win. So, if he has a grudge he will not be willing to vote for anyone else. If he is town with a tip, he would have a reason to vote for someone else, because he would be able to win with any mafia lynch. The reason he should be willing is to prove that he still has town's win condition.

I am sure about yuuki now. If you are so sure yuuki and I are mafia, what does it tell you that I am willing to get lynched over yuuki?

If rivera has a grudge against scum!yuuki his wincon is aligned with town's, and I am certainly not willing to throw his vote away so that scum may win.

The fact you're willing to get lynched over yuuki tells me that (most likley) you are also scum, or (less likely but still possible) you are very misguided town. This last one is increasingly unlikely unless brainbomb wants to change his vote at the last minute. I don't see any point in risking it though, when I know yuuki is scum 100%.

I wanted the lynch to be between me and brainbomb because I was trying to determine if the mafia team is BEX or BDY, and if rdrivera still has a town wincon. You and Espresso refused to vote for brainbomb, but so did damo. That is not unreasonable, since all of you, if town, can't be sure brainbomb is mafia (although in my opinion it should be obvious). However, I think it is possible that both brainbomb and yuuki are bussing each other, and are looking to change their votes at the last minute, because they should be confirmed mafia to each other as town.

Considering you do not like to dismiss DEY, and brainbomb's possibilities were DYZ EYZ (DEY), what do you make of brainbomb trying to start a wagon on me instead of yuuki? If he was oblivious as he says he was, how did he know to go after me?

[bozotheclown]

I have reread the game, and the one thing that stands out to me is that Espresso has done a very good job of coming across as town if he is mafia.

[yuuki]

If this is true, then rdrivera has likely either switched from town to mafia, or needs xorxes, Espresso or brainbomb to win, instead of having a grudge.

I can also vote for Brain if Ike votes him, but I would rather vote you instead of Brain to be honest.

And no, I didn't turn Mafia, but I see how you need to fit this on your explanation.

You are clearly in love with one of the scum team.

[damo666]

rdrivera's willingness to vote for damo and apparent willingness to vote for brainbomb if Ike does, and damo's resistance to voting for brainbomb have made BDY a real possibility again, so it is BEX or BDY. I would still like to see brainbomb lynched, since I know he is mafia, and I believe it should be apparent to the town that he is mafia.

I said I would vote B if ike did.

From my pov it is BEX or EYZ hence E my favoured vote.

I'm 99.9% certain it is BEX.

I'm disappointed Ike can't see it but realise its it's difficult from his pov.

[yuuki]

By the way, DYZ would be an incredibly unlikely scenario given that damo said bozo and I are on the same team. If damo were scum that would had been a perfect opportunity to try to 'clear' a scum in the mind of one townie. Almost as unlikely is EDY. When you think about it all scum teams that include me make very little sense given behaviors, votes, and claims. Whereas the scum team BEX makes perfect sense from beginning to end.

See here sonny, you need to look at the timeline. YOU said that both Damo and Bozo are town BEFORE Damo said you and Bozo are on the same team. This then clears allllllllll three of you based on 2 pieces of interlocking info, the second piece doesn't need to explicitly say town because the first piece does that for it...

Go complain to the GMs for giving us interlocking information. That is besides the point anyway. IF we were scum team which we are obviously not, that means we wasted our powers trying to reinforce our relationship which had already been established over trying to convince a townie that we were town with him. If damo had been scum he would have said himself and Ike were in the same team or something of the like to try to persuade you into siding with us three.

But hey, since you want to vote damo, let's do it. ##VOTE damo. Let's see how long it takes EBXR to join us in the vote.

[damo666]

## vote E

Ike if you change I will follow you.

[yuuki]

rdrivera's willingness to vote for damo and apparent willingness to vote for brainbomb if Ike does, and damo's resistance to voting for brainbomb have made BDY a real possibility again, so it is BEX or BDY. I would still like to see brainbomb lynched, since I know he is mafia, and I believe it should be apparent to the town that he is mafia.

I said I would vote B if ike did.

From my pov it is BEX or EYZ hence E my favoured vote.

I'm 99.9% certain it is BEX.

I'm disappointed Ike can't see it but realise its it's difficult from his pov.

He has no info at all. Let's join him and prove that we trust his judgment, unlike EP xorxes and brainbomb who have all been tunneling

[damo666]

Yuuki you want me to vote for myself?

[yuuki]

I think you have reached the logical conclusion that damo, yuuki, and I are all on the same team (which I know to be town), and that xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb are on the same team. If you are not sure, I suggest you ask xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb to pick someone besides yuuki to lynch to take rdrivera's wincon out of it. If rdrivera is really still town, he should be willing to vote for damo or myself as well. You should also pick who among xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb you want to be to opposing lynch target.

If I have to pit two people against each other, it would certainly be EP and Damo. There's 100% one scum between the two of them.

There's also 100% one scum between yuuki and any of EP, brainbomb, xorxes. None of us can be town with yuuki.

stop trying to force me into this. damo vs EP is 50-50 for Ike, yuuki vs three people are notan even shot. You are trying to manipulate him into thinking I'm more likely scum than you three under false logic.

[yuuki]

Yuuki you want me to vote for myself?

why not? Surely he will see the truth, no?

@Ike: choose between damo and EP. If you choose damo we will lynch damo together and we will lose together. If you choose EP the phase will be drawn and we will have an extra day to see what emc has in store for us.

[yuuki]

Also, @Ike: see how brainbomb is sheeping xorxes. Why would a townie sheep an unconfirmed town, when there is a confirmed town (you) to sheep? If that is not proof brainbomb and xorxes are scum together, I don't know what is.

[yuuki]

@ike, damo and bozo: will you be around near phase end?

[yuuki]

@ike, damo and bozo: will you be around near phase end?

##CALL GM: can we attach our vote to Ike's in case we are not going to be around phase end in case he decides to switch votes?

[damo666]

@ike, damo and bozo: will you be around near phase end?

When is it? 6 hours or 30 hours?

[damo666]

Is rdr infatuated with Ike?

[damo666]

Yuuki you want me to vote for myself?

why not? Surely he will see the truth, no?

@Ike: choose between damo and EP. If you choose damo we will lynch damo together and we will lose together. If you choose EP the phase will be drawn and we will have an extra day to see what emc has in store for us.

##vote damo