Mini Mafia 1008 - Triple Agent

[xorxes]

If letting the choice go to a random selection was accidental, why are you suggesting that a random selection was better than following the vote since the mafia might have been controlling the vote?

I'm not suggesting that. I was in fact planning to follow the vote, but I didn't get to see what the vote was because I got caught up at work and did not have time to check before the deadline.

I disagree that the only reason not to let your choice be random was that it might have been rdrivera. The primary reason not to let it go to a random choice was to avoid the appearance that you were not willing to confess to the voted target.

There was no voted target at the time when I could have made a choice. The vote was 1-1-1. If you don't want to believe that I work and can't devote all my time to mafia, suit yourself. You should know me well enough by now to know what my mafia hours are.

If the vote was 1-1-1 the last time you checked, then you did not check for the last 4 hours of phase 1. I understand you are saying you were not able to check in during that time, and I except that as a possible explanation for not choosing damo. I also consider you being mafia using that as an excuse as a possible explanation. More suspicious to me, though, it that you are saying two different things. You say you were not able to check in to choose damo when he was the top vote choice, and that the random choice was an accident. However, you also are saying that the random choice was the best option because damo only had 3 votes and therefore the vote could have been controlled by the mafia. I find these justifications somewhat contradictory, if you think the random choice was the best option, why was not choosing damo an accident?

I had no way of knowing damo or anyone else would have 3 votes at end of phase. Three votes is easy for mafia to manipulate, more votes would have been harder.

[bozotheclown]

The game is over.

D I Y Z vote E

B E R X vote Y

unless X is town in which case we win 5-3 but I doubt that is the case.

It will be ironic if Bozo gets a BX or EX in same team so we can completely pinpoint the scumteam but not get an outright win due to the Hidden Agenda

I think this is exactly right, our only chance is xorxes being town, and I also doubt it.

[xorxes]

If Bozo was scum, he wouldn't have reported me town unless i am also scum. So Bozo for me is a town read and we're left with
(DEY)
DYZ
EYZ
There's a Y in every one of those possibilities.....

I think you are assuming I am B, xorxes used B for brainbomb and Z for me.

I think you're right, bozo. Looks like he mistook you for B.

So fmpv, I have DYZ and BDY left.

I agree with Ike's logic that scum!bozo likely would have lied, so I'm leaning on BDY as the solve.

Why would have scum!bozo lied? If bozo lied, Ike would have known bozo was scum and if he is scum he needs Ike's vote to win. His only option was to tell the truth.

[bozotheclown]

I think DEY is very unlikely, since damo reported Espresso as mafia, setting up damo vs. Espresso as the likely vote options. So, from my point of view, brainbomb is almost certainly mafia.

If Bozo was scum, he wouldn't have reported me town unless i am also scum. So Bozo for me is a town read and we're left with
(DEY)
DYZ
EYZ
There's a Y in every one of those possibilities.....

B=brainbomb Z=bozo

But bozo had no choice but to report you as town. If he reported you as scum, you would know he was scum, and he needs you to vote with him to win, so with you as town, he couldn't report you as scum whatever his alignment.

It is true that reporting Ike as town would have been the best play as scum, which is why I was the best choice for Ike, he would get cleared either way.

[yuuki]

Perfect. As expected I would say based on behavior.

Worth noting EP had been pushing Ike to confess to brainbomb so I think it is EP brainbomb and xorxes.

Since BER and BEX are the only two options left for you, your second sentence is strange.

xorxes has a point, if you are town, brainbomb is now confirmed mafia to you as well.

@bozo: from my point of view the game is solved

[yuuki]

Since BER and BEX are the only two options left for you, your second sentence is strange.

xorxes has a point, if you are town, brainbomb is now confirmed mafia to you as well.

@bozo: from my point of view the game is solved

Also, I had already said that one of Ike and brainbomb is scum. So yes, brainbomb is confirmed scum for me

[yuuki]

Since BER and BEX are the only two options left for you, your second sentence is strange.

xorxes has a point, if you are town, brainbomb is now confirmed mafia to you as well.

@bozo: from my point of view the game is solved

Only 'doubt' is rdrivera and xorxes. but xorxes has been so scummy it is obvious.

[damo666]

Xorxes you might as well tell us your alignment, if you're town we win 5-3 if you're scum it's a draw.

[EspressoPatronum]

I think you are assuming I am B, xorxes used B for brainbomb and Z for me.

I think you're right, bozo. Looks like he mistook you for B.

So fmpv, I have DYZ and BDY left.

I agree with Ike's logic that scum!bozo likely would have lied, so I'm leaning on BDY as the solve.

Why would have scum!bozo lied? If bozo lied, Ike would have known bozo was scum and if he is scum he needs Ike's vote to win. His only option was to tell the truth.

If town!bozo and scum!Ike, bozo declares Ike is scum.

If scum!bozo and town!Ike, he can choose to do either. Since town!bozo would always call out scum!Ike, it makes sense for scum!bozo to mirror that play.

At the time, a team of DYZ needed two of xorxes, Ike, bb, or rdr to win 5-3. It may be true that DYZ needs Ike's vote now (I'm not actually sure), but I don't see how they could have known that at the time of the confession.

[EspressoPatronum]

If Bozo was scum, he wouldn't have reported me town unless i am also scum. So Bozo for me is a town read and we're left with
(DEY)
DYZ
EYZ
There's a Y in every one of those possibilities.....

B=brainbomb Z=bozo

But bozo had no choice but to report you as town. If he reported you as scum, you would know he was scum, and he needs you to vote with him to win, so with you as town, he couldn't report you as scum whatever his alignment.

It is true that reporting Ike as town would have been the best play as scum, which is why I was the best choice for Ike, he would get cleared either way.

Can you elaborate on this? See my reasoning to xorxes above. I'm not sure I agree with scum!bozo's best play being to confirm Ike either way.

[yuuki]

Perfect. As expected I would say based on behavior.

Worth noting EP had been pushing Ike to confess to brainbomb so I think it is EP brainbomb and xorxes.

Since BER and BEX are the only two options left for you, your second sentence is strange.

Not really. I know brainbomb is scum too as I already have 4 townclears and 5 with brainbomb's rdrivera tip/xorxes confession to EP. My point in noting EP's push is to let others who do not know 100% (bozo, Ike and damo at least) sure that brainbomb is scum how EP was pushing Ike to confess to brainbomb.

This is in case rdrivera wants to lynch brainbomb instead of EP due to his hidden agenda. I can go for it, but I only will if damo, bozo, and Ike agree that brainbomb is scum with EP.

Also, I'm fully committed to vote with the damo, bozo, Ike group. Even if they turn on me. I have done all I can to solve this game and with my current knowledge I'm sure this group will vote correctly.

[EspressoPatronum]

B=brainbomb Z=bozo

But bozo had no choice but to report you as town. If he reported you as scum, you would know he was scum, and he needs you to vote with him to win, so with you as town, he couldn't report you as scum whatever his alignment.

It is true that reporting Ike as town would have been the best play as scum, which is why I was the best choice for Ike, he would get cleared either way.

Can you elaborate on this? See my reasoning to xorxes above. I'm not sure I agree with scum!bozo's best play being to confirm Ike either way.

As note, I'm asking this more out of curiosity - it won't impact my vote either way. I'm voting Y no matter what, as he's within both of my remaining DYZ and BDY possibilities.

[yuuki]

Pretty sure rivera is not going to tell the truth regardless of what his new win con is.

If he is town and has a tip, why would he not tell the truth?

How do we know he really got a tip? No matter what he gets he will say he has a tip

[RagingIke297]

Perfect. As expected I would say based on behavior.

Worth noting EP had been pushing Ike to confess to brainbomb so I think it is EP brainbomb and xorxes.

Since BER and BEX are the only two options left for you, your second sentence is strange.

Not really. I know brainbomb is scum too as I already have 4 townclears and 5 with brainbomb's rdrivera tip/xorxes confession to EP. My point in noting EP's push is to let others who do not know 100% (bozo, Ike and damo at least) sure that brainbomb is scum how EP was pushing Ike to confess to brainbomb.

This is in case rdrivera wants to lynch brainbomb instead of EP due to his hidden agenda. I can go for it, but I only will if damo, bozo, and Ike agree that brainbomb is scum with EP.

Also, I'm fully committed to vote with the damo, bozo, Ike group. Even if they turn on me. I have done all I can to solve this game and with my current knowledge I'm sure this group will vote correctly.

You're committed to voting for me even though I'm essentially conf town?

[yuuki]

I think DEY is very unlikely, since damo reported Espresso as mafia, setting up damo vs. Espresso as the likely vote options. So, from my point of view, brainbomb is almost certainly mafia.

If Bozo was scum, he wouldn't have reported me town unless i am also scum. So Bozo for me is a town read and we're left with
(DEY)
DYZ
EYZ
There's a Y in every one of those possibilities.....

Yep, and guess what, I got a tip telling me Yukki isn't aligned with the Agency.
I think it's game over, will have to do the math to see if we can catch the whole team.

So are you switching sides, in love with scum or you just hate me?

[damo666]

@yuuki I know Bb is scum but let's stick with the vote on E as previously agreed.

[yuuki]

##CALLGM: is a draw a town win?

[yuuki]

@yuuki I know Bb is scum but let's stick with the vote on E as previously agreed.

I am voting wherever you bozo and Ike vote.

[yuuki]

Since BER and BEX are the only two options left for you, your second sentence is strange.

Not really. I know brainbomb is scum too as I already have 4 townclears and 5 with brainbomb's rdrivera tip/xorxes confession to EP. My point in noting EP's push is to let others who do not know 100% (bozo, Ike and damo at least) sure that brainbomb is scum how EP was pushing Ike to confess to brainbomb.

This is in case rdrivera wants to lynch brainbomb instead of EP due to his hidden agenda. I can go for it, but I only will if damo, bozo, and Ike agree that brainbomb is scum with EP.

Also, I'm fully committed to vote with the damo, bozo, Ike group. Even if they turn on me. I have done all I can to solve this game and with my current knowledge I'm sure this group will vote correctly.

You're committed to voting for me even though I'm essentially conf town?

Voting with you

[RagingIke297]

Not really. I know brainbomb is scum too as I already have 4 townclears and 5 with brainbomb's rdrivera tip/xorxes confession to EP. My point in noting EP's push is to let others who do not know 100% (bozo, Ike and damo at least) sure that brainbomb is scum how EP was pushing Ike to confess to brainbomb.

This is in case rdrivera wants to lynch brainbomb instead of EP due to his hidden agenda. I can go for it, but I only will if damo, bozo, and Ike agree that brainbomb is scum with EP.

Also, I'm fully committed to vote with the damo, bozo, Ike group. Even if they turn on me. I have done all I can to solve this game and with my current knowledge I'm sure this group will vote correctly.

You're committed to voting for me even though I'm essentially conf town?

Voting with you

Ahhhhhh, that makes more sense