webdiplomacy.net

Octavious wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:07 pm

Not the nuclear site itself, in fact. Israel, in a brilliant display of hotspur, targeted the missile defence system that protects the nuclear site.

So, the dialogue of the last few weeks can be summised as follows

Israel assassinate Zahedi while he thinks he's safe in the fake consulate: "We're pissed off and we're not playing games any more. The rules have changed. If you think you can continue to waltz back and forth through your vassal states to fight a proxy war against us you have another think coming. No more"

Iran, firing a barrage of missiles and drones at Israel: "Unacceptable, I'm afraid. If you target our people directly like this we are more than willing to attack you directly in response. You don't want to do that, and if you try it again we will respond with even greater magnitude"

Israel, firing a missile to take out some of Iran's defence system: "The difference is that we have an effective defence system and you don't. We can hit you hard whenever we want, and we know where your nuclear sites are. You can do shit. So, off you fuck"

Time will tell as to who has made the stronger argument, but my money is on Israel

By and large this seems accurate.

The details of the Israeli strike which I saw seemed to indicate hitting Iranian planes which would be used to defend against strikes on their nuclear facilities, but maybe that is the same reported strike you saw with different details.

The other issue is that this strike was near a nuclear facility for (let's just say Step 3) an early stage of bomb production, but their centrifuges (let's say step 4) are deep underground and possibly safe from air strokes (also far away from the attack).

If Iran has already processed enough Uranium Ore through step 3, hitting that facility will do nothing to prevent step 4. And some estimates indicate this is indeed the case.

Hopefully this will not escalate. But then, we've recently seen a dramatic shift in the nuclear deterence game.

Basically, Putin has decided to call the nuclear bluff. You won't attack him because he has nuclear weapons and thus he can do whatever he wants... And it is possible that this strategic thinking will spread, the a NATO country deciding to strike Russian assets (whether the US hitting something in Syria, or France in Africa) seems pretty likely.

You can't let you opponent take advantage of the situation like that, in the long term (unless Russia loses the war in Ukraine) so the question is how long before a NATO country calls Russia's bluff, and then we are one step closer to nuclear disaster.

Thankfully the US appears to be sending Ukraine military aid, and the EU continues to work to improve their own defensive capabilities. So despite being a pacifist, I am happy to see defence of self and others.

https://youtu.be/rzQcDcDs8-A

On Israel and Iran

"As Israeli bombs fall on homeless, starving and wounded Palestinians, there are no longer any places of safety in Gaza."

- Statement by Oxfam, today.

Israel is committing an atrocity and nobody is doing anything to stop them.

You'd have thought it might have occurred to the Palestinian government to give up the hostages by now.

No, because the longer the war drags on, the worse the publicity is for Israel, which is exactly what Hamas wants.

The Palestinian Government is not holding the hostages, Hamas is.

Everyone except Israel now wants a ceasefire.

Hamas accepted the recent ceasefire proposals, right? The Israeli government refused.

Biden is withholding a shipment of arms (thousands of bombs), as a reaction.

Many people boycott the Eurovision as it allowed Israel compete.
Students win protest with university to get them to cut ties/investment in companies operating in the occupied territories.

Some small victories, overall too many dead civilians. What happens next?

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:47 am

The Palestinian Government is not holding the hostages, Hamas is.

Everyone except Israel now wants a ceasefire.

Apparently only Israel wants to free the hostages.

learnedSloth wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 10:17 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 7:47 am

The Palestinian Government is not holding the hostages, Hamas is.

Everyone except Israel now wants a ceasefire.

Apparently only Israel wants to free the hostages.

Israel wants to render the Gaza strip uninhabitable. That is what they are doing. 80% of buildings in the territory are destroyed or damaged. They are bombing "humanitarian areas" where THEY TOLD civilians to move to.

Israel is carrying out a genocidal scorched earth policy.

Fuck you.

What's the point of chatting about these things online if you're going to tell anyone who disagrees with you to shove off?

I'm sure there's a subreddit you could go instead where you wouldn't accidentally run into someone with a different view on the conflict.

Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2024 2:13 am

What's the point of chatting about these things online if you're going to tell anyone who disagrees with you to shove off?

I'm sure there's a subreddit you could go instead where you wouldn't accidentally run into someone with a different view on the conflict.

You're probably right.

I just get angry about this because people are being murdered.

Zionist extremists want Palestinian civilians and children to starve to death:

BBC News - Israeli protesters attack Gaza aid trucks in West Bank - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg300jek94zo

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2024 7:47 am

Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2024 2:13 am

What's the point of chatting about these things online if you're going to tell anyone who disagrees with you to shove off?

I'm sure there's a subreddit you could go instead where you wouldn't accidentally run into someone with a different view on the conflict.

You're probably right.

I just get angry about this because people are being murdered.

How very Israeli of you

Octavious wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2024 3:33 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2024 7:47 am

Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑

Tue May 14, 2024 2:13 am

What's the point of chatting about these things online if you're going to tell anyone who disagrees with you to shove off?

I'm sure there's a subreddit you could go instead where you wouldn't accidentally run into someone with a different view on the conflict.

You're probably right.

I just get angry about this because people are being murdered.

How very Israeli of you

The difference being that I am not channelling my anger into the punishment killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of them children.

Israel's Defence Minister and Finance Minister are pressing for a significant increase in illegal settler colonialism and the further theft of large areas of Palestinian land, to the point of creating an entire new city for land-grabbing Zionist settlers:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-minister-says-he-envisions-new-city-in-west-bank-as-settler-numbers-grow/#:~:text=Defense%20Minister%20Yoav%20Gallant%20said,settler%20population%20continues%20to%20grow.

Israel is an invading, occupying force.

Has anyone else noticed that quite a few prominent politicians have been dying lately?

Has anyone else noticed that quite a few prominent politicians are really really old, many of the age where one would expect them to die?

Octavious wrote: ↑

Sun May 19, 2024 7:30 pm

Has anyone else noticed that quite a few prominent politicians have been dying lately?

Although in all seriousness, I'm curious what prompted this. I haven't noticed this, but you're probably referring to British politicians.

I was thinking the leader of the Russian opposition dying in prison, the president of Slovakia fighting for his life after been repeatedly shot, the President of Iran and other senior ministers dying in a helicopter crash, the assassination of the former Prime Minister of Japan....

It just feels that, in the relatively small group of people that can be loosely defined as "foreign politicians prominent enough for me to be aware of" the mortality rate due to unnatural causes is at an all time high