Coronavirus

[orathaic]

Two corrections,*mountains out of mole hills.
And ** 'expert opinions' saying the pandemic isn't as bad as all that... Ie not being censored.

[orathaic]

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/127 ... 32928?s=19
More context.

[orathaic]

Found another covid 19 denier not being silenced.: https://twitter.com/SineadOCarroll/stat ... 62785?s=19

[orathaic]

This is the other side. also not being silenced, but not getting mainstream coverage - What if Covid-19 is actually much worse:

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/06/03/ ... -Pandemic/

[Randomizer]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/deaths-not-co ... ories.html

Getting a lower death count because of inadequate testing so there is no definitive proof that COVID-19 could have cause it. This is the plan of Trump and Pence to reduce testing to lower the future counts so they can say that things are getting better. Florida is ahead of the curve in not having COVID-19 as cause of death.

[Randomizer]

What happens when failed businessmen negotiate deals, you get junk.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushne ... 03345.html

Kushner and Trump cut a great deal deal for equipment from Russia, at least it was for Russia. But then lots of suppliers that the White House have been pushing on the states have been frauds. Proof once again that electing a business major as president isn't a good idea.

[Randomizer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-worrying ... 17174.html

You can get re-infected with COVID-19 after recovering from a different strain. However more cases are needed to see how severe it will be the second time.

[orathaic]

Was just learning about how long term immunity does appear to be a thing, and covid doesn't mutate as fast as other viruses (like the flu). So hopefukky reinfection will not be a major issue.

[Octavious]

Throughout this situation we've been lurching from one contradictory scientific report to another. If there's one lasting lesson from Covid-19 it's to take the latest scientific advice with a large pinch of salt until there are a lot of good quality studies to back it up. Hopefully it won't completely destroy the public's faith in the scientific process or the long term consequences will be worse than the virus.

[orathaic]

@Oct, seeing how the sausages are made?

Yes science is messy and involves a lot of trial and error. It has always been this. The public may be used to seeing the final results rather than every step and trip along the way...

[Jamiet99uk]

Throughout this situation we've been lurching from one contradictory scientific report to another. If there's one lasting lesson from Covid-19 it's to take the latest scientific advice with a large pinch of salt until there are a lot of good quality studies to back it up. Hopefully it won't completely destroy the public's faith in the scientific process or the long term consequences will be worse than the virus.

Your Party and its "people have had enough of experts" approach has been trying to destroy public confidence in science for several years.

[Octavious]

@Oct, seeing how the sausages are made?

Yes science is messy and involves a lot of trial and error. It has always been this. The public may be used to seeing the final results rather than every step and trip along the way...

No, it's not always been like this. We are experiencing a replication crisis across the scientific spectrum. Covid-19 has seen countless scientific investigations not worth the paper they're printed on. You have Australian studies saying school age children very rarely spread the virus, and American studies saying that it's a high risk. We're not just getting results at differing ends of an understandably wide error bar, but mutually exclusive results. You have the Chinese administering a vaccine to front line workers that has been properly tested. You have a Russian vaccine that's a disgrace to medical scientific method packaged as a finished article. You have a growing number of people around the world who are skeptical of vaccines, and this is throwing petrol over the fire.

Science is struggling like never before.

[Octavious]

Throughout this situation we've been lurching from one contradictory scientific report to another. If there's one lasting lesson from Covid-19 it's to take the latest scientific advice with a large pinch of salt until there are a lot of good quality studies to back it up. Hopefully it won't completely destroy the public's faith in the scientific process or the long term consequences will be worse than the virus.

Your Party and its "people have had enough of experts" approach has been trying to destroy public confidence in science for several years.

I'm a member of the Lib Dems, you blithering idiot.

[orathaic]

Russian choices to package crap as a vaccine isn't science. It is propoganda. Chinese choices to use an unsafe* vaccine is policy.

*or at least without testing the safety first, I am presuming that it has passed effectiveness tests (stage 3?) but not safety (stage 4)...

But I don't think this is bad for science. I think being seen as a perfect authority was bad, and drove the anti-vaccer movement over the last 30 years. I think being able to say, 'we don' t know' or 'we're doing our best' makes science seem much more human and relatable (which is what the anti-vaccers had/have going for them).

[flash2015]

@Oct, seeing how the sausages are made?

Yes science is messy and involves a lot of trial and error. It has always been this. The public may be used to seeing the final results rather than every step and trip along the way...

No, it's not always been like this. We are experiencing a replication crisis across the scientific spectrum. Covid-19 has seen countless scientific investigations not worth the paper they're printed on. You have Australian studies saying school age children very rarely spread the virus, and American studies saying that it's a high risk. We're not just getting results at differing ends of an understandably wide error bar, but mutually exclusive results. You have the Chinese administering a vaccine to front line workers that has been properly tested. You have a Russian vaccine that's a disgrace to medical scientific method packaged as a finished article. You have a growing number of people around the world who are skeptical of vaccines, and this is throwing petrol over the fire.

Science is struggling like never before.

Sure it has. Big difference here is that we are looking at the results week to week instead of the much longer durations of the past. And of course the politics swirling around the conclusions of each individual study heightens the effect even more.

On the issue of the alleged mutually exclusive studies, have you actually looked at the scientific papers? The differences may not be as stark as those reported, the methodologies could be widely different or they could be measuring different things (e.g. it could vary a lot by the age of the children for example).

[Randomizer]

Or the study was poorly designed or interpreted with an inadequate sample size. Most of the flawed science reported shouldn't have made it to publishing stage except someone wanted to be first to press or there was a political angle.

In the US, Trump is pushing what could be described as junk science to prop up his failures. But because of his platform, real research is not taking place because in order to satisfy Trump's ego they are wasting time trying to provide proof for the fake cures. Disproven cures are still being promoted when they cause deaths and prevent them from being used for their legitimate purposes.

[flash2015]

Throughout this situation we've been lurching from one contradictory scientific report to another. If there's one lasting lesson from Covid-19 it's to take the latest scientific advice with a large pinch of salt until there are a lot of good quality studies to back it up. Hopefully it won't completely destroy the public's faith in the scientific process or the long term consequences will be worse than the virus.

Your Party and its "people have had enough of experts" approach has been trying to destroy public confidence in science for several years.

I'm a member of the Lib Dems, you blithering idiot.

Insulting him isn't really helpful here. Perhaps you are Lib Dem, but going through your posting history for at least the last couple of years, I can't believe anyone would seriously come to that conclusion.

[Octavious]

Insulting him isn't really helpful here. Perhaps you are Lib Dem, but going through your posting history for at least the last couple of years, I can't believe anyone would seriously come to that conclusion.

As some of those posts have included telling him point blank I would sat anyone with the reading comprehension of your average 5 year old would have easily come to that conclusion.

Also, very much none of your business.

[flash2015]

Insulting him isn't really helpful here. Perhaps you are Lib Dem, but going through your posting history for at least the last couple of years, I can't believe anyone would seriously come to that conclusion.

As some of those posts have included telling him point blank I would sat anyone with the reading comprehension of your average 5 year old would have easily come to that conclusion.

Also, very much none of your business.

Sure it is. You are the one insulting people on a public forum. Rather than just throwing around more juvenile insults, perhaps you should ask yourself why people may have come to this conclusion?

[Octavious]

Sure it is. You are the one insulting people on a public forum. Rather than just throwing around more juvenile insults, perhaps you should ask yourself why people may have come to this conclusion?

It's because I was a Tory supporter for the first 7 years Jamie has known me and I remain centre right politically. It also fits better with Jamie's narrative of me, and he enjoys insulting me and he can think of few greater insults.

It's no great mystery.