War, what is it good for?

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Go ahead and try to take Israel's nukes away lol. You need some other analogy that captures the irreversible nature of WMDs.

If I was UK Prime Minister that would be one of my main foreign policy goals.

I would also dismantle the UKs nukes as a matter of urgency.

The UK can do unilateral disarmament. It definitely cannot do anything about others' nukes.

[Jamiet99uk]

You are arguing for the following concept of international rules of engagement:

1. If you've got nuclear weapons, everyone has to do exactly what you demand.
2. If you've got nuclear weapons, you can kill anyone else who thinks about getting them.
3. If you don't have nuclear weapons, we can kill you if we suspect you might want them.

Don't you see the moral problem?

I agree on the moral problem. That's a big part of why it would be bad if Iran were to get the bomb.

So why isn't it equally important to take the bomb AWAY from Israel?

Why are you so happy about attacking a sovereign state that was not attacking anyone? Why such double standards??

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

You are arguing for the following concept of international rules of engagement:

1. If you've got nuclear weapons, everyone has to do exactly what you demand.
2. If you've got nuclear weapons, you can kill anyone else who thinks about getting them.
3. If you don't have nuclear weapons, we can kill you if we suspect you might want them.

Don't you see the moral problem?

I agree on the moral problem. That's a big part of why it would be bad if Iran were to get the bomb.

So why isn't it equally important to take the bomb AWAY from Israel?

Why are you so happy about attacking a sovereign state that was not attacking anyone? Why such double standards??

You can't take away a bomb from someone who has one. They'll nuke you.

I'm not saying this is fair or desirable lol, it's just blatantly obvious.

[Jamiet99uk]

Go ahead and try to take Israel's nukes away lol. You need some other analogy that captures the irreversible nature of WMDs.

If I was UK Prime Minister that would be one of my main foreign policy goals.

I would also dismantle the UKs nukes as a matter of urgency.

The UK can do unilateral disarmament. It definitely cannot do anything about others' nukes.

Fucking can if I'm UK PM and I put a whole lot of the Royal Navy in the Eastern Med...

[Jamiet99uk]

I agree on the moral problem. That's a big part of why it would be bad if Iran were to get the bomb.

So why isn't it equally important to take the bomb AWAY from Israel?

Why are you so happy about attacking a sovereign state that was not attacking anyone? Why such double standards??

You can't take away a bomb from someone who has one. They'll nuke you.

I'm not saying this is fair or desirable lol, it's just blatantly obvious.

Again going with the might makes right approach that makes international relations irrelevant.

Might as well just start WW3 now then. Fuck humanity.

[Jamiet99uk]

This idea of Bert's that once a state has a nuclear weapon they must be permitted to engage in unfettered genocide, is truly fucked up.

[Jamiet99uk]

Not everyone accepts this approach to international relations, and we should fight hard against the view that Bert is advancing. Sorry Bert but your willingness to take this shit is fucked up and you've lost any moral compass, it seems to me.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

This idea of Bert's that once a state has a nuclear weapon they must be permitted to engage in unfettered genocide, is truly fucked up.

It's not my idea, it's the reality of the world we live in. Maybe it can be changed in theory, but it's a coordination problem that is not likely to be resolved anytime soon. If the Nazis had the bomb they would have kept Holocausting.

[Jamiet99uk]

This idea of Bert's that once a state has a nuclear weapon they must be permitted to engage in unfettered genocide, is truly fucked up.

It's not my idea, it's the reality of the world we live in. Maybe it can be changed in theory, but it's a coordination problem that is not likely to be resolved anytime soon. If the Nazis had the bomb they would have kept Holocausting.

We had a thing called World War Two so that we could stop them.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

This idea of Bert's that once a state has a nuclear weapon they must be permitted to engage in unfettered genocide, is truly fucked up.

It's not my idea, it's the reality of the world we live in. Maybe it can be changed in theory, but it's a coordination problem that is not likely to be resolved anytime soon. If the Nazis had the bomb they would have kept Holocausting.

We had a thing called World War Two so that we could stop them.

They didn't have atom bombs....