War, what is it good for?

[Jamiet99uk]

Israel deliberately guns down paramedics and red cross workers in cold blood and then lies about it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2z103nqxo

The genocide goes on.

[Jamiet99uk]

It is because of repeated incidents like this that I retain no sympathy for the State of Israel.

It is a Nazi apartheid State that should be dismantled.

Israelis should be resettled in other, Israel supporting countries, like the USA.

The Israel experiment should end.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

If you had the power to compel Israelis to leave, why wouldn't you instead compel a two state solution?

[Jamiet99uk]

If you had the power to compel Israelis to leave, why wouldn't you instead compel a two state solution?

If I had that power.

[Jamiet99uk]

This is going to upset some people, but I have to say it. I now support a one-state solution.

The current, prolonged, murderous Israeli campaign of genocide against the Palestinian people has erased any legitimate claim to that land that Israel may or may not have had.

The only just solution to the Palestinian issue is to return the entire territory to Palestinian control. Israelis can be settled in other places where they are welcome, such as the United States.

I have supported a two state solution for as long as I can recall. Now I don't. I support a one state solution from now on. Israel has opted out.

[Jamiet99uk]

Israelis had their chance.

They chose mass murder and robbery instead of peace.

[CaptainFritz28]

This is going to upset some people, but I have to say it. I now support a one-state solution.

The current, prolonged, murderous Israeli campaign of genocide against the Palestinian people has erased any legitimate claim to that land that Israel may or may not have had.

The only just solution to the Palestinian issue is to return the entire territory to Palestinian control. Israelis can be settled in other places where they are welcome, such as the United States.

I have supported a two state solution for as long as I can recall. Now I don't. I support a one state solution from now on. Israel has opted out.

Congrats, Jamie, you've fallen into the same trap that the Israelis did! Way to turn yourself into someone with no more honor than your enemy.

[MajorMitchell]

Well Fk all those violently squabbling religious fools.
If Gaza is to be cleared then why fkn stop there?

I say Obliterate the Lot!
From the Mediterranean sea to the border of India, from the southeast borders of Turkey to and including South Sudan.

Clear all those troubled nations of complaining people who worship false Gods completely, trunk their cities to ashes and rubble.
Then fence it off and make it a wildlife reserve and only scientists are allowed to go there.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Should Germans have been displaced after WW2?

[Jamiet99uk]

Should Germans have been displaced after WW2?

Displaced from where, Germany?

No because Germans didn't invade Germany.

[Octavious]

For clarity, is it just the immigrant minority you are in favour of forcibly deporting or are you treating the ones who were born there as invaders too?

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Should Germans have been displaced after WW2?

Displaced from where, Germany?

No because Germans didn't invade Germany.

Sure they did. Every society currently residing in every country are the victors of some historical/colonial struggle between groups of you go back far enough. This includes the Palestinians by the way.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

When people say “send Israelis back to Europe,” they’re not just condemning atrocities—they’re retrofitting a moral framework around a mythologized timeline of who truly belongs where. But if historical conquest invalidates a group’s claim to land, then nearly every nation on earth—including modern Germany—would be delegitimized.

We don’t apply this logic consistently. Germans are seen as “from” Germany, despite being the descendants of conquesting tribes like the Franks, Saxons, etc. Palestinians are often assumed indigenous to the Levant, even though many descend from Arab settlers who arrived through Islamic conquest—and even those who can trace lineage to ancient Levantine tribes are still heirs to some earlier cycle of violent displacement. Jews, likewise, have a long, continuous—if uneven—history in the region, yet are framed as foreigners. These selective readings of history aren’t about justice; they’re about narrative utility.

Indigeneity is often used as a moral trump card, but it rarely withstands scrutiny. More importantly, it distracts from the real issue: Israel’s actions in Gaza—indiscriminate bombing, displacement, and the killing of civilians—are condemnable because of what they are, not because of who is doing them or where their ancestors came from. Those same acts would be just as criminal if carried out against Israeli civilians.

[CaptainFritz28]

Wasn't it Putin who was giving a lecture in Carlson's interview about Russia's historical claim to Ukraine? Using the logic that Jamie applies to Palestine, the Ukrainian invasion is justified.

Which is, of course, a ridiculous statement, which I think Jamie recognizes as such. The solution to Israel trying to force Gazans out of Gaza is not to force Israelis out of Israel. There are far better ways to deal with them. Just because mass deportation of Israel is an option that hasn't been tried yet doesn't give it validity to be tried.

[Jamiet99uk]

When people say “send Israelis back to Europe,” they’re not just condemning atrocities—they’re retrofitting a moral framework around a mythologized timeline of who truly belongs where. But if historical conquest invalidates a group’s claim to land, then nearly every nation on earth—including modern Germany—would be delegitimized.

We don’t apply this logic consistently. Germans are seen as “from” Germany, despite being the descendants of conquesting tribes like the Franks, Saxons, etc. Palestinians are often assumed indigenous to the Levant, even though many descend from Arab settlers who arrived through Islamic conquest—and even those who can trace lineage to ancient Levantine tribes are still heirs to some earlier cycle of violent displacement. Jews, likewise, have a long, continuous—if uneven—history in the region, yet are framed as foreigners. These selective readings of history aren’t about justice; they’re about narrative utility.

I said send the Israelis to the USA, not Europe, just for the record.

The comparison you're making is false. A very large proportion of the Palestinian population were forced out of their homes at gun and knife-point by violent Zionists at a particular point in time, in living memory, in 1948. There are still people alive who experienced that event personally. There are no living families who were forced off their lands in what is now Germany by the Huns in the third and fourth century AD. There is no equivalence.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

When people say “send Israelis back to Europe,” they’re not just condemning atrocities—they’re retrofitting a moral framework around a mythologized timeline of who truly belongs where. But if historical conquest invalidates a group’s claim to land, then nearly every nation on earth—including modern Germany—would be delegitimized.

We don’t apply this logic consistently. Germans are seen as “from” Germany, despite being the descendants of conquesting tribes like the Franks, Saxons, etc. Palestinians are often assumed indigenous to the Levant, even though many descend from Arab settlers who arrived through Islamic conquest—and even those who can trace lineage to ancient Levantine tribes are still heirs to some earlier cycle of violent displacement. Jews, likewise, have a long, continuous—if uneven—history in the region, yet are framed as foreigners. These selective readings of history aren’t about justice; they’re about narrative utility.

I said send the Israelis to the USA, not Europe, just for the record.

The comparison you're making is false. A very large proportion of the Palestinian population were forced out of their homes at gun and knife-point by violent Zionists at a particular point in time, in living memory, in 1948. There are still people alive who experienced that event personally. There are no living families who were forced off their lands in what is now Germany by the Huns in the third and fourth century AD. There is no equivalence.

Your argument is that some amount magical of time gives folks some indigenous right to an ethnostate. Two or three generations of Israelis born there isn't enough? But maybe 6-8 for Palestinians is? But we can't go to 15.generations, or else we have to count Jews as indigenous to the Levant again?

It's total nonsense, just a word game people play to sidestep the actual issue — ejecting either population is genocide at this point, and it's no less of a genocide because you decide to apply a totally unprincipled appeal to indigineity.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

I said send the Israelis to the USA, not Europe, just for the record.

Was this supposed to make your position seem more logical or less genocidal? Truly moronic lol, this is how 14 year olds think about geopolitics.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

It's very funny that after all this time and all the all-caps screaming from Jamie, he's been the only one to ever actually endorse genocide on this forum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Israel's crimes are modern history and current events still taking place as we speak.

[Jamiet99uk]

If someone illegally forced you out of your home at gunpoint and stole all your possessions, at what point would you decide "oh well it probably belongs to them", then?

I'm assuming 24 hours from the way you're posting? Maybe a couple of days?