Israel breaches its international treaty obligations AGAIN

[kingofthepirates]

On the one hand, thank goodness it’s over. On the other, when does international law start doing its thing :[

[Octavious]

On the one hand, thank goodness it’s over. On the other, when does international law start doing its thing :[

There's a first time for everything, I guess...

But yeah, it's a shame international law is so weak. If UN Resolution 1701 had been enforced this recent batch of unpleasantness would have been entirely unnecessary

[Jamiet99uk]

There's no such thing as international law.

The United Nations should be disbanded.

We should just start World War 3 now and be done with it. Let's just kill everyone. Peace is for weaklings. Apparently.

Fuck every world leader. What a bunch of stupid cunts. The human race is doomed.

[Jamiet99uk]

Joe Biden is a fucking weakling.
Keir Starmer is a fucking weakling.

Benjamin Netanyahu is the current ruler of Earth and he has the power of a God.

Democracy is over.
Democracy does not exist.
Might makes right.

[Theodoric]

What's striking to me about this discussion is that there are brutal wars all the time that are found to be hardly worth a mention in the international media or by world leaders. The current civil war in Sudan has displaced something like 10 million people and has probably killed more than 100,000 people. Both sides have international support (from Iran, Russia, and the UAE primarily). Both sides have committed ethnic cleansing and horrific atrocities. I don't know if Biden has ever been asked a question about the war.

For the past few years, civil war in Ethiopia has killed more than half a million civilians, involved considerable ethnic cleansing, and displaced millions of people. Iran, Russia, China, and the UAE have all been involved, as has Eritrea. In that case, the US did put sanctions on the Ethiopian government, but again, very little media coverage and very little accountability on anyone.

The US, UK, France, and many other countries have been carrying out airstrikes against ISIS for years that are alleged to have killed 10s of thousands of civilians. Minimal media coverage, minimal controversy.

So, I think as lovely as it would be to live in a world where conflicts were resolved by international agreements rather than by war, that's very rarely what happens anywhere. The countries with a direct interest in a conflict get involved, and other countries don't do anything. From this perspective, the US, UK and Europe having a minimal reaction to Israel attacking a nonstate proxy army/terrorist group that's been shooting missiles at them for a year is very par for the course. Netanyahu is a corrupt, illiberal leader of a flawed democracy that, like most countries, has been largely left on its own to fight dirty regional wars.

[Octavious]

Joe Biden is a fucking weakling.
Keir Starmer is a fucking weakling.

Benjamin Netanyahu is the current ruler of Earth and he has the power of a God.

Democracy is over.
Democracy does not exist.
Might makes right.

It's been so long since the last one I'd forgotten how depressed British left wingers can get when we elect a left wing government

Starmer hasn't been too bad, truth be told. His enthusiasm for meeting Donald Trump and Giorgia Maloney shows a political maturity rather than a continuation of the "far right" bashing favoured by activists. His attempts to replace the Rwanda policy with an Albania policy regarding immigration seems wasteful, but at least he hasn't abandoned the concept. There's been no crazy talk about abandoning trident and a genuine enthusiasm for reforming the NHS in a way that the Tories would never have been allowed to get away with. They seem to be mostly keeping control of spending too. I find myself quite comfortable with current progress.

[Jamiet99uk]

Starmer is not left wing, he is a centrist, which is why he appeals to you, Oct.

[Jamiet99uk]

Keir Starmer is also in favour of Israeli genocide because he is allowing the continued supply of UK-manufactured weapons to Israel, instead of imposing a complete embargo which would be the civilised option.

[Jamiet99uk]

He also parachuted a self-proclaimed right-wing "Zionist Shitlord", who is basically an agent of the Israeli State, into my constituency to become my new MP (against the wishes of local Labour Party members, some of whom resigned), as a reward to the little bastard for helping hound real socialists out of the Labour Party in his massive witch-hunt last year.

He may fuck right off.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

The Canadian left has this same squabble constantly, I guess it's just human nature.

Utopians, socialists, and hardcore anti-Zionists would rather their parties never win an election. It's more important (and comfortable) to be ideologically pure than to actually gain power and make positive change. And it's never their fault they can't craft a convincing political narrative to bring others onboard— it's just that those goddamn conservatives and, even worse, moderates and centre left people, are too dense to see the light.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am a member of the Green Party and I would love it to win an election.

In this year's UK general election we achieved our best ever results.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

I am a member of the Green Party and I would love it to win an election.

In this year's UK general election we achieved our best ever results.

I suspect you actually wouldn't. Getting four seats amidst a wave of disdain for both major parties requires very little compromise.

You've got the crowd on your side with wealth taxes and renewables. But there are key pillars where you lose about half of voters if you take a hard line - on nuclear weapons, nuclear power, Israel, etc. Voters might agree with an ambition like net-zero by 2040 in the abstract, but it will not be a winning policy position once you specify the sacrifices this would entail. Something would have to give.

[Jamiet99uk]

You may be surprised but Israel policy is not a major issue for UK voters generally, unlike in the USA. The present regime of genocide and apartheid might be changing opinions, but generally not in favour of the Israeli side, from what limited polling I have seen.