Utter Betrayal

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Re: Utter Betrayal

#61 Post by CroakandDagger » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:09 am

So you would also concede that the mesoamerican societies with cities and writing were states?

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Re: Utter Betrayal

#62 Post by Incrementalist » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:26 am

They were states at one point, but there wasn't much left of them by the time the conquistadors arrived.

Nevertheless I don't understand what difference it makes on the distinction between immigration and colonization.

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Re: Utter Betrayal

#63 Post by TrPrado » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:32 am

A select few societies in the Mesoamericas classified as states but they were incredibly flimsy and lacked regional unity which made them easy to overthrow by a coalition of unified Spaniards and their own subjects.

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Re: Utter Betrayal

#64 Post by CroakandDagger » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:57 am

It doesn't make a difference in that semantic argument, but it does clearly demonstrate a deliberate, disingenuous downplaying of the organisation, stratification and relative development of native societies when it's convenient to pretend that they had no states of their own.

I just find it interesting how far individual people are willing to go to add fuel to the fires of their historical victim narratives.

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Re: Utter Betrayal

#65 Post by TrPrado » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:13 am

I mean take that up with the historians that have been making that distinction for decades upon decades.

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Re: Utter Betrayal

#66 Post by Telamor » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:05 pm

What's a historical victim narrative?

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Re: Utter Betrayal

#67 Post by CroakandDagger » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:53 pm

Where certain people portray historical events a certain way to make certain groups look like poor defenseless, primitive, ignorant lambs in order to better guilt people in the modern day.

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