Utter Betrayal

[CroakandDagger]

So you would also concede that the mesoamerican societies with cities and writing were states?

[Incrementalist]

They were states at one point, but there wasn't much left of them by the time the conquistadors arrived.

Nevertheless I don't understand what difference it makes on the distinction between immigration and colonization.

[TrPrado]

A select few societies in the Mesoamericas classified as states but they were incredibly flimsy and lacked regional unity which made them easy to overthrow by a coalition of unified Spaniards and their own subjects.

[CroakandDagger]

It doesn't make a difference in that semantic argument, but it does clearly demonstrate a deliberate, disingenuous downplaying of the organisation, stratification and relative development of native societies when it's convenient to pretend that they had no states of their own.

I just find it interesting how far individual people are willing to go to add fuel to the fires of their historical victim narratives.

[TrPrado]

I mean take that up with the historians that have been making that distinction for decades upon decades.

[Telamor]

What's a historical victim narrative?

[CroakandDagger]

Where certain people portray historical events a certain way to make certain groups look like poor defenseless, primitive, ignorant lambs in order to better guilt people in the modern day.