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Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:18 pm
by FxFocus
Hope that makes sense.
My instinct says no but I have been known to be wrong... once..!

Re: Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:35 pm
by DarthPorg36
isn't that the diplomacy paradox? I don't remember how it's resolved though
Re: Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:26 pm
by Ferdack
Re: Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:53 pm
by Chaqa
I kinda feel like in the situation they provide, the german fleet should take the channel.
Re: Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:42 pm
by Ferdack
Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:53 pm
I kinda feel like in the situation they provide, the german fleet should take the channel.
But that's the whole premise of the paradox.
Re: Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:31 pm
by kestasjk
Here are our DATC tests on convoys:
https://webdiplomacy.net/datc.php#section6
If you see 6.F.14 - TEST CASE, SIMPLE CONVOY PARADOX
It doesn't cut support, the original test case is here:
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/L.B.Kruijswijk/#6.F.14
The justification is here:
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/L.B.Kruijswijk/#4.A.2
It amounts to: The 2000 rulebook says "
A convoyed Army does not cut the support of a unit supporting an attack against one of the fleets necessary for the army to convoy." but this is a bit vague, doesn't account for certain situations, and conflicts with other rules.
So the "
Simon Szykman rule" is used, which gives the same results for the most part but isn't ambiguous or contradictory with other rules: "
If a situation arises in which an army's convoy order results in a paradoxical adjudication, the moves of all involved convoying armies fail and have no effect on the place where they were ordered to convoy."