Retreat Question
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:21 pm
When a unit is forced to retreat, can they disband when they still have valid places to retreat to?
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This is all correct.Muscovy_Duck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:52 amI could well be mistaken but I always thought that the original rules permitted voluntary disbandment in the Spring turn regardless of whether or not a unit was caused to retreat.
If the owner retained sufficient supply centres the unit could be replaced by either a fleet or army in the Autumn builds phase.
It is. Change the 'Retreat' dop-down box to 'Disband' instead.This option (voluntary Spring disbandment) does not seem to be available in games here.
I think Muscovy was talking about voluntarily disbanding even if you don't have to retreat - ie when "You have no orders to submit for this phase" or the retreats phase simply doesn't take place at all.
That's definitely not in the rules.Muscovy_Duck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:26 pmThanks for the advice on this.
Yes, I was asking about disbandment DURING THE ORDERS PHASE of the SPRING TURN. But it would be equally valid if applied to non-displaced units after the Spring moves.
It must have been a House Rule in my first ever face-to-face game. Should have insisted on reading the rules!
I think the 'Gamemaster' had Russia and miraculously converted several fleets used to destroy England into a large Army!
Wrong.emmaorabelle wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 amNo, a unit that is forced to retreat must always retreat to a valid and empty space. If there are valid spaces available for retreat, the unit cannot be disbanded. However, if there are no valid spaces available for retreat, the unit is destroyed and removed from the board. rankdle
Seems to be a bot.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:59 amWrong.emmaorabelle wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 amNo, a unit that is forced to retreat must always retreat to a valid and empty space. If there are valid spaces available for retreat, the unit cannot be disbanded. However, if there are no valid spaces available for retreat, the unit is destroyed and removed from the board. rankdle
There's also no Gamemaster in Diplomacy.I think the 'Gamemaster' had Russia
You sure about that? See page 17 of the copy of the rules here https://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/diplomacy.pdfJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:59 amWrong.emmaorabelle wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 amNo, a unit that is forced to retreat must always retreat to a valid and empty space. If there are valid spaces available for retreat, the unit cannot be disbanded. However, if there are no valid spaces available for retreat, the unit is destroyed and removed from the board. rankdle
Page 17 is quite clear: "A unit can always voluntarily disband instead of retreating." That is why on-line implementations of Diplomacy, including webDiplomacy, allow it.GoatOfWar wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:29 amYou sure about that? See page 17 of the copy of the rules here https://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/diplomacy.pdfJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:59 amWrong.emmaorabelle wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 amNo, a unit that is forced to retreat must always retreat to a valid and empty space. If there are valid spaces available for retreat, the unit cannot be disbanded. However, if there are no valid spaces available for retreat, the unit is destroyed and removed from the board. rankdle
That is what I remember but I do recall other sites allowing disbands if forced to retreat. What does here allow?
thanks. How do you tell in the game listing which it is? I've seen Rulebook press but lots of others have nothing listed so is the default Full press? And what is rulebook chat?
As far as I can tell, this is the second time this thread has been bumped from the dead by a bot using chatGPT (or similar).elijahnelson wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:30 amThe option for voluntary disbandment during the Spring turn, as you mentioned, is not part of the standard rules in Diplomacy. Units can only be disbanded during the Autumn builds phase, and that is subject to the number of supply centers the player controls.Muscovy_Duck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:52 amI could well be mistaken but I always thought that the original rules permitted voluntary disbandment in the Spring turn regardless of whether or not a unit was caused to retreat.
If the owner retained sufficient supply centres the unit could be replaced by either a fleet or army in the Autumn builds phase.
This option (voluntary Spring disbandment) does not seem to be available in games here.mapquest