MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie - what do you think of the scum strategy of fake-claiming RB?

I think fakeclaiming RB would be scummy, yes.

Lol not what I meant

What then? Do you want me to comment on what I think the optimal scum strategy would be? I'm not inclined to offer guidance to my opponents.

[Tom Bombadil]

Vote Count 3.2

Thamrick (4): rdrivera2005, Balki Bartokomous, Foxcastle, bo_sox48
Snowy801 (3): DemonRHK, DrCJG, Jamiet99uk
Telamor (3): ghug, dargorygel, RagingIke297
Balki Bartokomous (1): peterlund
Jamiet99uk (1): TrPrado
RagingIke297 (1): Telamor
Ghug (1): yavuzovic
Foxcastle (1): snowy801


The following players have not voted: Ezio, thamrick

Currently thamrick is set to be lynched

There are 4.25 hours remaining in D3.

[TrPrado]

So we're seriously going to let Jamie go ONCE AGAIN??

[DrCJG]

Closing on my first home today!

Hoping to catch up on today’s post later this afternoon.... if you haven’t already..

@ Ghug, why Telamor?

@ Rdr, why Thamrick?

[TrPrado]

After probably the scummiest stunt I've seen someone pull on this site, and then he tries to turn around and blame someone else for it?

[Balki Bartokomous]

1. If you assert that you are not claiming to be Cop, why did you demand a docsave?

I wanted the Doctor to save me at the same time the mafia team tried to kill me so that the Night Kill would fail.

2. Why did you claim - at the *same time* as asking for a docsave, that if you were NKed, this would implicate Ghug?

ghug has been off my radar screen for most of the game. I was coming to the realization that ghug might be scum, and I wanted to be sure he got some pressure even if I was not around to do the pressuring.

3. What is your actual case against Ghug?

Please see page 58.

4. Why did you not set out your case on Ghug when you voted for him?

Please see page 58.

5. Do you have any idea why I thought you were claiming a guilty scan on Ghug?

I have some ideas, but they have more to do with you than with me.

Can you understand what I may have been thinking?

I think so.

[rdrivera2005]

Closing on my first home today!

Hoping to catch up on today’s post later this afternoon.... if you haven’t already..

@ Ghug, why Telamor?

@ Rdr, why Thamrick?

Start reading instead of asking this kind of questions. You can use the bot at mafia.peterlund.se to look at posts and votes.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Closing on my first home today!

Hoping to catch up on today’s post later this afternoon.... if you haven’t already..

@ Ghug, why Telamor?

@ Rdr, why Thamrick?

Yeah, I don't like this post one bit.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think there are like 8-9 scum in this game.

[rdrivera2005]

So we're seriously going to let Jamie go ONCE AGAIN??

I don't know, Jamiet have been soo weird in this Balki push that I don't know what to think. Do you think he will act like this as scum? Do you think both are scum?

[Balki Bartokomous]

So we're seriously going to let Jamie go ONCE AGAIN??

I don't know, Jamiet have been soo weird in this Balki push that I don't know what to think. Do you think he will act like this as scum? Do you think both are scum?

I have to say -- I'm leaning more town on Jamiet after the Balki/ghug/Jamiet interaction.

[thamrick]

Slight townread on rdrivera. Seems to be interpreting the game pretty open-mindedly in a way I think would be tough to manufacture. As past games prove though, I'm awful at reading rdr. I still have a good feeling about him this game though. The only real flags I have are his outrage posts after both lynches.

I townread Balki. I think Balki enjoys playing more as scum than he does as town tbh. When Balki was scum, he was engaging in much more detailed cases and generating cases against people. I feel like he's sitting back a little more in this one and reading other people's interactions.

Slight scum on Foxy but nothing I'm too sure of. I really didn't like his comment about trying to spread out the votes on wagons. I feel like it's too easy for scum to control the lynch that way.

I liked bo's entry post analyzing the EoD wagons and his response to teacher, but he's pretty much disappeared after that. Bo can be a lurker scum, but he tends to explain his absences. I'd guess town on bo.

[RagingIke297]

Slight townread on rdrivera. Seems to be interpreting the game pretty open-mindedly in a way I think would be tough to manufacture. As past games prove though, I'm awful at reading rdr. I still have a good feeling about him this game though. The only real flags I have are his outrage posts after both lynches.

I townread Balki. I think Balki enjoys playing more as scum than he does as town tbh. When Balki was scum, he was engaging in much more detailed cases and generating cases against people. I feel like he's sitting back a little more in this one and reading other people's interactions.

Slight scum on Foxy but nothing I'm too sure of. I really didn't like his comment about trying to spread out the votes on wagons. I feel like it's too easy for scum to control the lynch that way.

I liked bo's entry post analyzing the EoD wagons and his response to teacher, but he's pretty much disappeared after that. Bo can be a lurker scum, but he tends to explain his absences. I'd guess town on bo.

So your scum team is Fox and who else?

[thamrick]

I think fakeclaiming RB would be scummy, yes.

Lol not what I meant

What then? Do you want me to comment on what I think the optimal scum strategy would be? I'm not inclined to offer guidance to my opponents.

No. I want to know how likely you think it is that scum would fake-claim a RB. How do you think that turns out in the end for them? This has happened in literally every game I've played in where there's a RB. People always discuss the possibility that a RB was fake-claimed, but I don't know if I've ever actually seen one be fake-claimed.

[Jamiet99uk]

After probably the scummiest stunt I've seen someone pull on this site, and then he tries to turn around and blame someone else for it?

No stunts. My honest reaction to what I saw happening. I'm sure I'm town.

[bo_sox48]

Right, but he's spending what little time he applies giving the game a modicum of thought rather than trying to look like he cares at all.

Forgive me, but I can't remember him ever trying to look like he cares at all. I remember him saying shit like Chaqa's mom and anteaters all the time, but the only time I can remember him actually giving a fuck were the first few games he played here before he started getting nightkilled because this site is full of cowards that are afraid of playing against good players.

Jamiet's reaction to the discussion reminds me of Peter's. I forgot about Peter's reaction, until I see Jamiet's. Tense.

What's your point here?

I had two purposes. I was adding my voice to those who seemed concerned about Jamie's defensive and angry reaction to the recent conversation. And I was noting that Peter had an earlier 'bad' reaction to pressure, which I (and maybe others) had forgotten.

What's the point of noting something from earlier if you're just going to forget about it again and not do anything with it?

Anyway, I am inclined to believe Balki so:

##Vote Ghug

If Balki is lying we lynch him tomorrow.

[…]And why would Balki being wrong, mean that he's a policy lynch tomorrow?

Are you sure you read today, at all?

@yav - who are your top 3 townreads and why? Who are your top 3 scumreads and why?

Do you usually ask such generic questions of people when you are looking into something you find suspicious? Did you notice that yav already gave reads?

I guess I'm just confused what you even thought was a cop claim in the first place. I didn't interpret Balki's messages that way on first read, and on reread I feel like it's pretty clear that Balki wasn't claiming cop. I don't think Balki, even if he was cop and had a guilty scan, would openly reveal it. He'd do what he should do as cop and build a case against his guilty scan, pushing for their lynch and trying to remain hidden.

Assuming he got RBed N1, revealing his scan makes a ton of sense. He's a NK target at some stage and might get RBed again. As Jamie pointed out, he was crumbing long prior to that soft claim. You are making a blanket assumption about how Balki would play without considering the circumstances. Why?

I am not ok with snowy sipping the noose again. snowy needs to be the lynch here. I’ve said it before: he played seemingly upset early, then completely indifferent since. He almost taunting us with how little he’s taking part. Also, this gives additional insight into EoD2.

I already demonstrated why snowy is town. Please read my analysis of EOD2. It came before I even read my role PM, if that makes you feel any better.

Regardless of how you respond, or don't, to my analysis, why should we be lynching with additional insight into one EOD that is already rather easy to interpret in mind?

After probably the scummiest stunt I've seen someone pull on this site, and then he tries to turn around and blame someone else for it?

What did Jamie do that is deserving of such hyperbole?

though one does wonder where bo_sox went off to

A job, which takes up my Mondays and Wednesdays pretty much in full, and two businesses, which take up the other days of the week pretty much in full. Tuesdays and Thursdays are occasionally convenient for me. I also travel the country relatively frequently this time of year and blow off all of my other responsibilities, including mafia, so if I decide to get back on the road this weekend, you won’t see me for awhile. There’s a reason that I didn’t actually sign up to play this game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Lol not what I meant

What then? Do you want me to comment on what I think the optimal scum strategy would be? I'm not inclined to offer guidance to my opponents.

No. I want to know how likely you think it is that scum would fake-claim a RB. How do you think that turns out in the end for them? This has happened in literally every game I've played in where there's a RB. People always discuss the possibility that a RB was fake-claimed, but I don't know if I've ever actually seen one be fake-claimed.

I've literally done that as scum, I think, so I'm fairly sure it can happen.

[TrPrado]

So we're seriously going to let Jamie go ONCE AGAIN??

I don't know, Jamiet have been soo weird in this Balki push that I don't know what to think. Do you think he will act like this as scum? Do you think both are scum?

Yes to the first and no to the second. Whether or not he believed Balki isn't the problem. Actively insinuating a claim happened is entirely separate in the discussion, and the only purposes I can see it realistically serving is pinning Balki down for the ghug lynch or drawing out a much more definite claim, neither of which are in any way good for town.

I haven't really seen anything from Balki that makes me think he's scum, but it's getting ridiculous that Jamie keeps pulling shit and getting away with it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah, if I die tonight, it means (1) our doctor is a moron, and (2) ghug might just be on the scum team.

He hasn't been as suspicious of me in this game as he usually is. He's defended me a few times in a way that may be designed to curry favor. And he hasn't really driven the action.

He's tough to read, so I don't have great confidence here. I probably wouldn't lynch him tomorrow, but he's moving up my suspect list.

This is it? This is your whole case on Ghug.

Uh-huh.

[thamrick]

Slight townread on rdrivera. Seems to be interpreting the game pretty open-mindedly in a way I think would be tough to manufacture. As past games prove though, I'm awful at reading rdr. I still have a good feeling about him this game though. The only real flags I have are his outrage posts after both lynches.

I townread Balki. I think Balki enjoys playing more as scum than he does as town tbh. When Balki was scum, he was engaging in much more detailed cases and generating cases against people. I feel like he's sitting back a little more in this one and reading other people's interactions.

Slight scum on Foxy but nothing I'm too sure of. I really didn't like his comment about trying to spread out the votes on wagons. I feel like it's too easy for scum to control the lynch that way.

I liked bo's entry post analyzing the EoD wagons and his response to teacher, but he's pretty much disappeared after that. Bo can be a lurker scum, but he tends to explain his absences. I'd guess town on bo.

So your scum team is Fox and who else?

you, peter, trprado, snowy, ezio would be my best guess. Very uncertain on that last spot and could substitute in Foxy, yav, Telamor, bo, DrCJG.