MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[snowy801]

##vote jamiet99uk
sorry lads, I have to head out. I'll be around but you know

[Jamiet99uk]

Two hours left and still 5 non-voters...

[yavuzovic]

I think Jamie is town. I'm not good at people's history but Jamie's anger is usual and I don't scumread him. BUT THIS DOESN'T MEAN I TOWNREAD HIM. I'm not buddying him.

So, you think I am town, but this DOES NOT MEAN you townread me.

Thanks, that's really clear.

Agh! Hahahahha yes. I must write this again:
I don't scumread you but this doesn't mean I townread you. Sorry for confusion.

[RagingIke297]

Two hours left and 5 people haven't voted at all today. Are snowy and Jamie going to be the wagons today?

[ghug]

Those are lame wagons find a new one.

[peterlund]

My reads EoD2:

Scum:
Balki - The only good theory, explaining EoN1 events, is that Balki is scum and they let him claim RB while killing Xorxes.
Jamie - Totally out of his town meta, defending scum buddy Balki (and Snowy?)

Scummish: Ezio, stressed, Chaqa, reedeer, Ike, snowy
Townish: DrCJG, teacher, rdriv, RHK

[TrPrado]

My reads EoD2:

Scum:
Balki - The only good theory, explaining EoN1 events, is that Balki is scum and they let him claim RB while killing Xorxes.
Jamie - Totally out of his town meta, defending scum buddy Balki (and Snowy?)

Scummish: Ezio, stressed, Chaqa, reedeer, Ike, snowy
Townish: DrCJG, teacher, rdriv, RHK

Balki isn’t going to be a wagon, I recommend jumping on Jamie.

[Tom Bombadil]

Vote Count 2.2

Snowy801 (6): DemonRHK, dargorygel, Stressedlines, teacher2, Jamiet99uk, yavuzovic
Jamiet99uk (3): TrPrado, rdrivera2005, snowy801
Telamor (2): Ezio, RagingIke297
Balki Bartokomous (1): peterlund
Ezio (1): ghug
Stressedlines (1): Telamor
Yavuzovic (1): DrCJG

The following players still need to vote: Balki Bartokomous, Chaqa, reedeer1, thamrick

The following players have not met posting requirements: Chaqa, reedeer1

If you do not meet the above you will be replaced. If there are no subs, I will start modkilling players who do not meet requirements.

Currently snowy801 is set to be lynched.

There are roughly 1.5 hours remaining in D2.

[peterlund]

Balki isn’t going to be a wagon, I recommend jumping on Jamie.

Ok, it seems like Balki is not going to happen today, so let's test if "NEW JAMIE" can abstain from dead posting coming home dead from the pub a Saturday night! (as he has promised us) ##VOTE JAMIE

[DemonRHK]

Balki isn’t going to be a wagon, I recommend jumping on Jamie.

Ok, it seems like Balki is not going to happen today, so let's test if "NEW JAMIE" can abstain from dead posting coming home dead from the pub a Saturday night! (as he has promised us) ##VOTE JAMIE

So what I would glean is a null read (not on your lists) just flipped your vote with zero effort. Fucking really?

[TrPrado]

Did a reread of Jamie after my Hearts of Iron game crashed.

For everything I'm seeing, this is town Jamie. He's not maniping wagons IMO like he tried to do in other scum games.

I'm still confident in snowy, and my vote remains there. Telamor and yavu are the others I would be confident in voting if it comes down to it.

I’m going to have to disagree he’s not been manipulative. I think making the argument that xorxes’ reads weren’t clear enough for peter to assume he was going to push Balki, then using the same reads list which ranked Balki and peter the same as an argument as to why peter should be considered scum is a textbook case of manipulation.

[TrPrado]

Balki isn’t going to be a wagon, I recommend jumping on Jamie.

Ok, it seems like Balki is not going to happen today, so let's test if "NEW JAMIE" can abstain from dead posting coming home dead from the pub a Saturday night! (as he has promised us) ##VOTE JAMIE

So what I would glean is a null read (not on your lists) just flipped your vote with zero effort. Fucking really?

Flipped his read from one of his scum reads onto another one of his scum reads. By pointing out that people weren’t going to back the first of the two while a wagon already existed on the other. Is this a big deal somehow?

[peterlund]

So what I would glean is a null read (not on your lists) just flipped your vote with zero effort. Fucking really?

I do not get what you mean. Jamie is on my list as a scum read. What are you saying?

[DrCJG]

I am driving should be home in about 40 mins in time for EoD.

Looks like my wagon isn't going to get any support. Snowy and Jamiet were the last two on my null list (closest to scum), but I have never been convinced either is scum...

@ snowy give me 3 reasons why we should lynch Jamiet
@ jamiet give me 3 reasons why we should lynch snowy

@ everyone else feel free to provide quick reasons so i can read wheni get back

[DemonRHK]

You didn’t have Prado on your reads list. As soon as he said ‘Balki isn’t going to happen’ you jumped. 5 minutes. You never even tried to make a case for Balki. You shrugged and went whatever and jumped to Jamie. That was the weakest limp from a wagon I could imagine.

Peter reeks, and Prado doesn’t look amazing either.

[DemonRHK]

I don’t plan on moving from snowy and this smells of a scumpush.

[teacher2]

Dr I’m on mobile too, but see snowy as scummy wagon jumping yesterday and like the people on his wagon better. Jamir is a late rising counter. Honestly I liked where you were/are for my second, but am unimpressed by snowy having had the leading wagon for 48 hours and not trying to redeem himself. (Counter argument - scum has had 48 hours to push off and done not that much except this late Jamie play?)

[Tom Bombadil]

Vote Count 2.3

Snowy801 (6): DemonRHK, dargorygel, Stressedlines, teacher2, Jamiet99uk, yavuzovic
Jamiet99uk (4): TrPrado, rdrivera2005, snowy801, peterlund
Telamor (2): Ezio, RagingIke297
Ezio (1): ghug
Stressedlines (1): Telamor
Yavuzovic (1): DrCJG

The following players still need to vote: Balki Bartokomous, Chaqa, reedeer1, thamrick

The following players have not met posting requirements: Chaqa, reedeer1

If you do not meet the above you will be replaced. If there are no subs, I will start modkilling players who do not meet requirements.

Currently snowy801 is set to be lynched.

There are roughly 45 minutes remaining in D2.

[TrPrado]

You didn’t have Prado on your reads list. As soon as he said ‘Balki isn’t going to happen’ you jumped. 5 minutes. You never even tried to make a case for Balki. You shrugged and went whatever and jumped to Jamie. That was the weakest limp from a wagon I could imagine.

Peter reeks, and Prado doesn’t look amazing either.

Why does it matter WHO pointed it out to him? If it were a scum read maybe I’d see your point on this, but otherwise there’s nothing that really suggests the move doesn’t make sense.

[peterlund]

You didn’t have Prado on your reads list. As soon as he said ‘Balki isn’t going to happen’ you jumped. 5 minutes. You never even tried to make a case for Balki. You shrugged and went whatever and jumped to Jamie. That was the weakest limp from a wagon I could imagine.

Peter reeks, and Prado doesn’t look amazing either.

I cannot see what Prado not being on my read list, has to do with my read of Jamie. Yes, Prado suggested me to switch and I had obviously already thought that thought already since Balki wasn't taking off.

RHK: Are you seriously saying that I should have abstained to do my already planned vote switch just because Prado happen to suggest it before I came to it?

That sounds a big silly to me.