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20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:04 am
by Spartaculous
RULES
0. The purpose of this game is for the Question Master (QM) to select *two entities* to be guessed, and for the contestants to deduce the identity of these entities by asking a series of questions. The winner will be the first contestant to correctly guess *both* of them.

1. Only binary (yes/no) questions may be asked. Conditional questions are allowed, but conditional guesses are NOT allowed. Up to 20 questions are allowed per entity. We will keep track of the number of questions used for each entity separately.

2. If the QM cannot determine with reasonable certainty whether the answer to a particular question is "Yes." or "No.", they will simply reply with "Pass". Questions that are answered in this way will not count towards the twenty-question limit, but all other binary questions will count towards the limit. Re-asking passed questions verbatim is not allowed, but contestants are welcome to rephrase passed questions and ask those. The QM is permitted to use discretion to pass certain questions on principle, but must be transparent about this.

3. Before the twentieth question is answered, two free guesses per contestant do not count against the total twenty questions, but additional guesses by the same contestant do. All guesses must be of the form:

Entity A: XXXXXX
Entity B: XXXXXX

4. After a guess, the question master will either confirm that both entities are correct, or will indicate that there is at least one incorrect guess. (For example, if you guessed entity A correctly and entity B incorrectly, you will simply be told that your guess is incorrect.)

5. After all twenty questions are answered, there are no more free guesses, and five total guesses (combined among the contestants) shall be allowed.

6. No player shall ask more than two consecutive questions, where a guess (free or unfree) counts as a question. EG: If Player A asks a question; and Player B makes a guess; Player A may go next with up to two questions. This means you cannot ask 2 questions and then follow it up with a guess.

7. The Question Master may choose entities real or fictional that are not horribly obscure, so long as they are not repeats.

8. Whoever guesses correctly takes over from the previous question master; if they do not want to do it, they may choose someone else provided they are willing.

9. In the unlikely event the question master remains undefeated three times in a row they must choose someone else to be the next QM (provided they are willing).

10. If terminology in a question is undefined, the QM defines it however they think is most reasonable (or may ask the questioner to clarify or re-phrase the question). Questions regarding the methodology used do not count towards the 20 questions and best come with an example figure.

11. A contestant can "scratch" their own question or guess before it is answered. Scratched questions and guesses do not count as questions or guesses for the purposes of the total count, or the two consecutive questions/guesses rule.

12. No questions on what relationship (if any) the two persons have with each other will be allowed.

13. If someone guesses a character who has already been a correct answer in 20 Questions before, that guess will not be counted as a guess.

14. The use of artificial intelligence in the solving process, aside from the AI answers that automatically come up on search results, is not permitted.

For game history, see here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uXCl7ynaYyUH86zL98dIx8Bbo9WEJCqFnFFsfGg8vz4/edit?usp=sharing

What is up?

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:13 am
by miminena
Is this figure a real human or a fictional non-human?

(I'm using singular because it feels weird not to, I'm still asking about both characters.)

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:19 am
by Spartaculous
miminena wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:13 am
Is this figure a real human or a fictional non-human?

(I'm using singular because it feels weird not to, I'm still asking about both characters.)
A: Yes.
B: No.

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:23 am
by damo666
A Real dead male human?

B Fictional Human?

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:25 am
by Spartaculous
damo666 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:23 am
A Real dead male human?
Yes.
damo666 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:23 am
B Fictional Human?
No.

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:28 am
by Hominidae
A, B: Born/hatched/sprouted/introduced in Eurasia? (For fictional characters, this can refer to publication etc. or in-universe origins.)

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:19 am
by Spartaculous
Hominidae wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:28 am
A, B: Born/hatched/sprouted/introduced in Eurasia? (For fictional characters, this can refer to publication etc. or in-universe origins.)
A: Yes.
B: Yes.

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:25 am
by miminena
Were these figures born, introduced etc. within 100 years of each other?

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:32 am
by miminena
miminena wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:25 am
Were these figures born, introduced etc. within 100 years of each other?
Actually are questions like this allowed? If not, replace with "Was this figure born, first introduced, etc. before the start date of a standard game of Diplomacy?" (Assume March 21, 1901)

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:38 am
by Aristocrat
A: Born in Europe?

B: Mammal or reptile?

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:52 am
by Spartaculous
miminena wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:32 am
miminena wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:25 am
Were these figures born, introduced etc. within 100 years of each other?
Actually are questions like this allowed?
I will allow it, since you could phrase it (dropping the etc. for readability) as, say, "B: Born within 100 years of when A was born?"

So, I will count that as a question for B (but not for A), and give the answer as "No.".

Also, you should appreciate an answer below:
Aristocrat wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:38 am
A: Born in Europe?
Yes.
Aristocrat wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:38 am
B: Mammal or reptile?
Yes.

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:10 am
by miminena
I'll ask this anyways:
Was this figure born, first introduced, etc. before the start date of a standard game of Diplomacy?

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:13 am
by Spartaculous
miminena wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:10 am
I'll ask this anyways:
Was this figure born, first introduced, etc. before the start date of a standard game of Diplomacy?
A: Yes.
B: No.

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:16 am
by Aristocrat
A: Born in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Luxembourg, or Liechtenstein?

B: Mammal?

Edit: A should be “what is now” those countries

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:36 am
by Spartaculous
Aristocrat wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:16 am
A: Born in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Luxembourg, or Liechtenstein?

Edit: A should be “what is now” those countries
Yes.
Aristocrat wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:16 am
B: Mammal?
Yes.

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:57 am
by Spartaculous
A:
1,2: Real dead male human being
3,4,6: Born in Europe, in what is now France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Luxembourg, or Liechtenstein
5: Born before March 21, 1901

B:
1,2,5,7: Real mammal, but not a human being
3: Born in Eurasia
4: Was not born (etc.) within 100 years of person A
6: Born on or after March 21, 1901

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:06 am
by Ernst_Brenner
B: Is this a primate?

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:14 am
by Spartaculous
Ernst_Brenner wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:06 am
B: Is this a primate?
No.

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:57 am
by Bladerunners
A. Military related?

B. movie related?

Re: 20Q round 455: double round!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:05 pm
by Spartaculous
Thank you for joining our game! I am glad you are playing.
Bladerunners wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:57 am
A. Military related?
Yes.
Bladerunners wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:57 am
B. movie related?
No.