Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

Is there a default rule for what will happen if Fidelis does not post? Should we expect a modkill or a sub?

going by GM's post #967 sub if available else modkill

however he may be stricter D2 and just modkill

@GM what's the answer please

GM NOTE

If a player does not participate or vote they will be replaced out if a sub is available. If a sub is not available they will be modkilled.

(Note, if you want my attention please use "##Call GM" rather than "@GM" because that's what I look for).

[damo666]

##CALL GM

Ok

[hee hee]

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Ok

[hee hee]

Yes.

[Kakarroto]

I know ghug won't like this but correcting brain's post

Player Target Report

Sweet brain FALSE
Balki brain TRUE
Vecna brain TRUE
Damo brain TRUE
Food vecna FALSE
Worcej snowy TRUE
Kotp rdr Roleblocked/FALSE
Kak rdr TRUE
Will ghug FALSE
Rdr damo TRUE
d&w kak TRUE
ghug kak TRUE
Brain ND TRUE

Did not partake
Fidelis
ND
Snowy
rhk
Chaqa

I'm kind of offended how few people scanned me
I can fake scum like the best of you, I'll have you know

maybe everyone thought you would die?

[Kakarroto]

speaking of dying ... what if there WAS a try to nk someone, but the mean machine was targeted who had enough votes to survive ...

hmm, that could only be damo then, and I doubt the judges would try to kill him. nah, stupid thought, carry on

[Kakarroto]

the main hit on google for LU-boy is "the last hope for albania"

That's us :D

I thought the LU thing is an american, not european thing?

[snowy801]

speaking of dying ... what if there WAS a try to nk someone, but the mean machine was targeted who had enough votes to survive ...

hmm, that could only be damo then, and I doubt the judges would try to kill him. nah, stupid thought, carry on

Aren't the judges' only straight kill a strongman?

[foodcoats]

Why do you town read Balki?

I explained way back that I think the way he aggressively tried to crack the game mechanically is townie. I known some people think that talking mechanics is NAI but in this case I disagree, because Balki’s plan will help ensure town gets (near?) max value out of its cops and have a better chance of winning. It’s not just talking mechanics but using the mechanics to build a winning strategy for town. It’s something that scum are much less likely to have the initiative to suggest. It does not mean Balki is lock-town but I think it’s madness to vote him without more data.

Two things to consider:

1) Balki's proposal was one of his opening posts. Even considering pre-game time and chat (kinda crazy there was a n0 chat by the way) I will argue that such a plan can come premade from knowing the setup and not alignment

2) A mechanic-push based town read can only last so long before it wears out. What else has supported your assessment that Balki is town through his activity after the hypo-plan?

Vibes.

[worcej]

My scumreads are fast changing but im exploring the possibility that ghug-balki-damo might all be mafia. Or that its you-balki-ghug.

Theres other ppl id flip today like
ND
Maybe rd still as hes done absolutely nothing still
Sweet or will arent completely off my radar either
Fidelis is a mystery now

I am leaning ND is town based off low interest right now.

[foodcoats]

Jeez, here are people signaling they will vote for me:

Ghug, Snowy, Damo, Sweet, JustWill, Brainbomb

If there are any town on that list (there surely are), Scum will be happy to join you. I have no team to protect me who know that I am on their team. Also — keep challenging these folks and ask for details about why they suspect me. All I’ve really heard is reasons to hat my play doesn’t HAVE TO come from Town. The thesis is: well, he could be scum who decided to help Town out in the beginning. Well, okay sure, but that is not a reason to read me as Scum, and it’s definitely not a reason to daykill me second.

First day of vacation for me, so it’s going to be pretty light on activity here.

I disagree with the sentiment I heard someone say (maybe Food? and Damo?) that we get more data by changing up the time wagons. I think the crucial thread we want to pull is to find the first bad guy. We find the first bad guy and that leads us to more. We also learn much more about the game right now by turning over Damo or Sweet, who seemed like they were going to be the leading wagons for most of D1, until a few players led flashwagons.

I urge y’all not to follow the same players today. I strongly suggest we daykill Damo or Sweetie.

You suggested a pro town strategy you scum bag! Die die die!

[foodcoats]

I urge y’all not to follow the same players today. I strongly suggest we daykill Damo or Sweetie.

I like both of these options and will only vote between them.

Why so locked in?

[Kakarroto]

We could always dunk ND

I want to say he is probably just Mafia here. But other than the potential of getting a Judge, it wouldn't give us any info.

I saw Dr. Fidelis online. I think we should just dunk him because I'm sick of this hiding nonsense.

how about we make today's tally between ND and DrFidelis?

[Kakarroto]

Alas, the game must go on
How do you guys feel about worcej and dargRHK?

worcej has not enough posted for me to definitely say things for his alignment. Hardpressed i would lean a bit more to town than mafia, but he is a null read

I heavily suspected darg. Demon however reads much better to me. Not going to town him, but I don't want to vote for him today, want to see more of him

[foodcoats]

We could always dunk ND

I want to say he is probably just Mafia here. But other than the potential of getting a Judge, it wouldn't give us any info.

I saw Dr. Fidelis online. I think we should just dunk him because I'm sick of this hiding nonsense.

how about we make today's tally between ND and DrFidelis?

This seems like an alright plan actually. I was townreading ND but now he is in full lurk mode. Still null on Fidelis but I have no compunctions to save either of these players at this point.

[foodcoats]

I want to say he is probably just Mafia here. But other than the potential of getting a Judge, it wouldn't give us any info.

I saw Dr. Fidelis online. I think we should just dunk him because I'm sick of this hiding nonsense.

how about we make today's tally between ND and DrFidelis?

This seems like an alright plan actually. I was townreading ND but now he is in full lurk mode. Still null on Fidelis but I have no compunctions to save either of these players at this point.

This sounds really dickish of me i realize in retrospect but essentially i feel like we are redoing d1 and nd v drf send an acceptable d1a.

[Kakarroto]

There was this small tinge of how defensive he was to his early pressure, and seemed to have way too strong reads while trying to defend against his wagon.

It all felt a bit artificial.

Disclaimer; I dont have strong confidence in any of this. Might just be that he's a PR or w/e panicking.

If I was a scum i definately wouldve given him a nice gasoline shower.

Vecna says that if he was scum, damo would be worth killing because he’s likely a PR or scum.

And he specifically hones in on a specific judge ability to illustrate his kill.

Hmmmmmmmmm

Damo practically soft claimed on D1, so I see where Vecna reasoning is coming from, but not sure I agree with this stance.

I don't think Damo is the right kill today.

I think we could've waited longer to speak about this topic. I even canceled my answer/correction to a post about that previously made by sweet

[foodcoats]

I think Kakarroto is one of my top town reads now.

[Kakarroto]

Show of hands, who all noticed that damo softed a PR during D1?

This might actually be important.

yeah, well me

[foodcoats]

Vecna says that if he was scum, damo would be worth killing because he’s likely a PR or scum.

And he specifically hones in on a specific judge ability to illustrate his kill.

Hmmmmmmmmm

Damo practically soft claimed on D1, so I see where Vecna reasoning is coming from, but not sure I agree with this stance.

I don't think Damo is the right kill today.

I think we could've waited longer to speak about this topic. I even canceled my answer/correction to a post about that previously made by sweet

My read of Vecna is that he is way too soft on everything to be town. Vecna is a brazen and gregarious town. The way he approached the damo question was extremely hedgy. I feel like Town!Vecna would scumread Vecna here in this game lol

[foodcoats]

Vecna is probably an Angel with no powers