MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[BunnyGo]

The M79 post also did not get flagged with claim*, you needed *claim*. Here is the full post:

If you search with claim* a post on page 102 of that game comes up where Bona says:

i'm claiming tracker which is different


So I then did a deeper dive on that game for all his posts to find the one where he actually made the original claim.

Yes, I am sure you really found these claims by searching, regardless of your alignment.

Oh...completely agree. I'd go the extra distance doing these searches as scum.

I'd even make notes hunting and start to really believe I was on to solving the game.

[damo666]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

Having read p1 thee seems to be an anomaly. Under the para Mafia vote both the kill and roleblock targets and performer are determined by voting yet under roles there is a specific Roleblocker role.

##call GM

1. Is the roleblock (if any) carried out by the Roleblocker role or determined by the voting mechanism?

2. Is the roleblock target chosen by the roleblocker or by voting?

Mafia team members also welcome to answer.

Also, (this is for after game) shouldn't this kind of thing be discovered in Kouncil review?

[bozotheclown]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

Having read p1 thee seems to be an anomaly. Under the para Mafia vote both the kill and roleblock targets and performer are determined by voting yet under roles there is a specific Roleblocker role.

##call GM

1. Is the roleblock (if any) carried out by the Roleblocker role or determined by the voting mechanism?

2. Is the roleblock target chosen by the roleblocker or by voting?

I assumed that was a minor error copied from a game with a factional RB.

[bozotheclown]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

The setup says the oldest vote determines who performs the NK. In this game, the idea of a factional NK or a factional RB is not consistent with the existence of a ninja and a roleblocker.

[damo666]

I expect Bona can tell us.

[BunnyGo]

I expect Bona can tell us.

Then you should shoot him instead of me

I'm too pretty

[bozotheclown]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

I was reviewing M77, where you were the tracker and I was the mafia driver, and we had a ninja. Also, the PR roles were randomly selected from a list, so you did not know the exact mafia roles. It seemed you had a thorough understanding of the role interactions, and who might be performing the NKs, so I would not expect you to think it worked differently in this game.

In that game we had the ninja perform the NKs and made no other PR visits until the ninja was DKed, something the mafia should have done this game.

[Bonatogether]

Oops on the Tem kill. Better luck next time. I'm thinking I was also maybe wrong about damo too.

I do think that BunnyGo looks bad coming out of that day. That whole thing with bona gave me very bad vibes from him, looking to kill him tomorrow.

Bona is ups and down. very messy. Prob still avoid.

Hey you guys! Look at this post.

We just found the third wagon Day 1 was scum!

It was SvSvS!!

are you for real

[BunnyGo]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

I was reviewing M77, where you were the tracker and I was the mafia driver, and we had a ninja. Also, the PR roles were randomly selected from a list, so you did not know the exact mafia roles. It seemed you had a thorough understanding of the role interactions, and who might be performing the NKs, so I would not expect you to think it worked differently in this game.

In that game we had the ninja perform the NKs and made no other PR visits until the ninja was DKed, something the mafia should have done this game.

You lost me on your point of this post

[Bonatogether]

daily bongo is scum post

[ghug]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

Having read p1 thee seems to be an anomaly. Under the para Mafia vote both the kill and roleblock targets and performer are determined by voting yet under roles there is a specific Roleblocker role.

##call GM

1. Is the roleblock (if any) carried out by the Roleblocker role or determined by the voting mechanism?

2. Is the roleblock target chosen by the roleblocker or by voting?

Mafia team members also welcome to answer.

Also, (this is for after game) shouldn't this kind of thing be discovered in Kouncil review?

We generally don't review the exact wording of the entire setup, just the content. This doesn't seem game breaking to me in any case. Mafia teams generally just have one person vote when voting happens these days.

[bozotheclown]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

I was reviewing M77, where you were the tracker and I was the mafia driver, and we had a ninja. Also, the PR roles were randomly selected from a list, so you did not know the exact mafia roles. It seemed you had a thorough understanding of the role interactions, and who might be performing the NKs, so I would not expect you to think it worked differently in this game.

In that game we had the ninja perform the NKs and made no other PR visits until the ninja was DKed, something the mafia should have done this game.

You lost me on your point of this post

The point was I think your question was something that you already knew.

[BunnyGo]

I was reviewing M77, where you were the tracker and I was the mafia driver, and we had a ninja. Also, the PR roles were randomly selected from a list, so you did not know the exact mafia roles. It seemed you had a thorough understanding of the role interactions, and who might be performing the NKs, so I would not expect you to think it worked differently in this game.

In that game we had the ninja perform the NKs and made no other PR visits until the ninja was DKed, something the mafia should have done this game.

You lost me on your point of this post

The point was I think your question was something that you already knew.

Would you believe me if I said I was completely honest in this chain?

[worcej]

Long day at the mill, don't feel like I missed too much here.

Bozo's comment on Bona's claims in the past versus now is an interesting discrepancy.

I didn't see a response to Bunny's question to the GM about actions, which is an interesting find. I think bozo is correct that scum should only have used the ninja, but if Bona is the RB then it makes sense to stack the actions (if scum can) if they thought spirit was the doctor.

[worcej]

If I die, I hope you all don't just murder-hobo Bona next phase... I still think if there is a different doctor they should be claiming at EoN so the next phase isn't another spew of if Bona is doctor or not.

I'm also beginning to worry about rdr/bozo/ghug - these guys are typically good players and the fact none of them are dead yet is concerning. I've lost to a late game bozo/rdr once before and it was annoying how well they pulled it off...

[damo666]

It would be amusing if non-Bona doc claims right at EON only for the vig to discover to their horror they've targeted the doc.

Not good, but amusing.

However we would have a hammer dk so not all bad.

[bozotheclown]

You lost me on your point of this post

The point was I think your question was something that you already knew.

Would you believe me if I said I was completely honest in this chain?

I would believe it if you say it after the game is over.

[Chaqa]

If I die something has gone horribly wrong, so I’ll just say good luck and let’s get this pumpkin bread

[ghug]

if i die kill bongray

[brainbomb]

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