MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[Bonatogether]

this game is a fever dream

[bozotheclown]

Oh! What if it's two of damo/heart/Tem?

That would make some sense for the EOD movement. Sweet and Just couldn't get on Macca, since they could see Macca would save by jumping on them, and they were worried it'd line up all the scum on one nearly 100% scum driven wagon.

This conclusion did not make much sense, since Just was voting for Macca when the wagons were tied at 4, 2 mafia out of damo/heart/Temasek would mean 3 of the 4 Macca votes were mafia, and Macca is never online at EOD. I don't know how BunnyGo could spend all of that time reviewing D1 and come up with this, especially since he seemed sure Bonatogether was mafia.

[ghug]

Bona
Heart
Bunny
worcej
Rd
Macca
Chaqa
Bozo
Damo
ghug

Bozo, why don't worcej or I fit your grand bus theory?

[TheMadMonarch]

Oops on the Tem kill. Better luck next time. I'm thinking I was also maybe wrong about damo too.

I do think that BunnyGo looks bad coming out of that day. That whole thing with bona gave me very bad vibes from him, looking to kill him tomorrow.

Bona is ups and down. very messy. Prob still avoid.

[TheMadMonarch]

I've got work then a funeral then a rehearsal tomorrow, so don't expect any of my attention

[BunnyGo]

Oops on the Tem kill. Better luck next time. I'm thinking I was also maybe wrong about damo too.

I do think that BunnyGo looks bad coming out of that day. That whole thing with bona gave me very bad vibes from him, looking to kill him tomorrow.

Bona is ups and down. very messy. Prob still avoid.

Hey you guys! Look at this post.

We just found the third wagon Day 1 was scum!

It was SvSvS!!

[Chaqa]

Im regretting my choice to stay up late last night

[BunnyGo]

Im regretting my choice to stay up late last night

Saw heart catching up...lurking...

makes me think he is capable of this play.

He's an excellent personality chameleon at work.

[damo666]

How many in this scum team Bunny?

[bozotheclown]

Bona
Heart
Bunny
worcej
Rd
Macca
Chaqa
Bozo
Damo
ghug

Bozo, why don't worcej or I fit your grand bus theory?

You or worcej also could fit as the ninja, but I have been suspecting BunnyGo since D1 because of the way he voted for Just all day because of the scum claiming. I have considered that your D2 T vs. T prediction could have been you setting yourself up to look "correct" about Temasek, because your reason seemed questionable to me. I don't know if worcej fits with Bonatogether the way he has been pushing Bonatogether as the real doctor.

[bozotheclown]

Here are some other D3 BunnyGo posts I found questionable:

damn...

rdr is right.

##vote damo

OK, rdr, hit me with more knowledge.

I don't think BunnyGo would need rdrivera to tell him that DKing an un-CCed PR is generally not a good idea. Also, possible pocketing of rdrivera.

Ok bozo. You sold me.

##vote Tem

This deflects responsibility of the Temasek mis-kill of to me.

a) I was already coming around to the idea he was scum during N2

b) his snap claim is silly as doctor; both to claim, and to specifically claim both his night actions--just don't say them

c) his claim is in contradiction to the assumption Jamie saw him visiting spirit

d) his only prior claims that I could dig up were dragged out of him at last minute (see my post referencing all the claims he's ever made that weren't of the nature "I claim I'm an american" or "I claim bofa deez nuts!")

The assumption about Jamie could be wrong, and Bonatogether's claim is not a good claim as mafia either. Also, the mafia have a ninja.

And roleblocker...they probably used both on spirit.

This a minor point, but saying the mafia probably used both the ninja and the roleblocker is odd, because if the roleblocker is visiting the NK for the roleblock he can also perform the NK. It makes me think that BunnyGo first ordered the NK as the ninja, then later the mafia decided to have Bonatogether RB SpiritoftheRadio in case he was the doctor.

And roleblocker...they probably used both on spirit.

If they roleblocked SpiritoftheRadio they did not need to use the ninja, but that is not relevant. Why would they risk being seen by the watcher to make sure SpiritoftheRadio was not doctor protecting himself?

Hmm...

This is...interesting.

So you're saying you suspect the scum team didn't use the roleblock at all N1 out of fear of the watcher?

I would expect BunnyGo to have already considered the ninja.

[BunnyGo]

How many in this scum team Bunny?

Well...there's 10 players besides me left...so 11?

[BunnyGo]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

[bozotheclown]

Now for the one question I really want an answer to:

Why did you claim when and how you did? Why not wait? You've never claimed before without EOD pressure.

this question is leading. despite the poor job you did framing, i will answer it.

i believed that jamie had made an error that made it look like i was scum. letting that sit for hours or days to claim at eod looks terrible - eod claims are inherently suspect. futhermore, i will not be able to be present at eod, as i have class on tuesday at that time, as i did last week. i valued clearing the air when i had time to do so over trying to do it last minute from class on my phone.

claiming i have never claimed except at eod is untrue. it is almost certainly my earliest claim, but i know i have claimed multiple times significantly before eod. why are you lying?

Here is the post where I dug up literally every claim you've ever made that wasn't "I claim I'm an American". I used the bot's search features (you know...with an "claim*" for that old school feel of any word that starts "claim".

OK, I dug up every time bona "claimed" a role. He often joke claims something early in the game.

But here are the "claims" I found (in reverse chronological order):

1) M79 bona "hardclaim tracker"

2) In M70 there was a complex sequence where bozo claimed doc, worcej CCd and the next night no deaths and bozo claimed he saved me and worcej claimed he saved bona
bona wrote "claim attacked but saved"

3) In M65 bona had talked a lot of mechs for the deputy. Then said "If we think the deputy scanned her, then it'd be best to vote for her" and on the next page wrote:

"I'm the deputy

Fuck you guys

I'm not coming back for hours"

Couldn't find any fake claims or other claims of a specific role or action.

The best one was that last one.

I actually couldn't find a fakeclaim by you as scum.

Have you ever before?

I decided to check BunnyGo's post about previous Bonatogether claims, and one thing I noticed is that BunnyGo said he used claim* to find the claims ("I used the bot's search features (you know...with an "claim*" for that old school feel of any word that starts "claim"."), but in the M65 example he cited, Bonatogether did not use the word "claim" ("I'm the deputy").

[BunnyGo]

THAT'S RIGHT @bozo! That post didn't come up. I had to do extra digging that game to find it when other posts came up that suggested a claim had been made.

[bozotheclown]

THAT'S RIGHT @bozo! That post didn't come up. I had to do extra digging that game to find it when other posts came up that suggested a claim had been made.

The M79 post also did not get flagged with claim*, you needed *claim*. Here is the full post:

Continuing: I am the vanilla cop.

Night 1 I scanned Bona. He came back not vanilla, hence the first post on Day 2. I've been thinking about this a lot and I firmly believed he was another PR until the math doesn't seem to make sense.

Night 2 I scanned Eden. He also came back not vanilla. I figured at this point it was worth just claiming.

So, if one of them is a PR, that would be ideal, but if not I think maybe I've got two. I'm just unsure about Bona though so I don't have him locked in as scum.

this tracks because i'm tracker

n1 scanned eden, no result

n2 scanned rd, no result

hardclaim

[damo666]

WAIT!


@bozo!

The RBer can RB AND KILL the SAME NIGHT!?

I'd been assuming that it was "use power" OR "execute factional kill"

Having read p1 thee seems to be an anomaly. Under the para Mafia vote both the kill and roleblock targets and performer are determined by voting yet under roles there is a specific Roleblocker role.

##call GM

1. Is the roleblock (if any) carried out by the Roleblocker role or determined by the voting mechanism?

2. Is the roleblock target chosen by the roleblocker or by voting?

[BunnyGo]

THAT'S RIGHT @bozo! That post didn't come up. I had to do extra digging that game to find it when other posts came up that suggested a claim had been made.

The M79 post also did not get flagged with claim*, you needed *claim*. Here is the full post:

Continuing: I am the vanilla cop.

Night 1 I scanned Bona. He came back not vanilla, hence the first post on Day 2. I've been thinking about this a lot and I firmly believed he was another PR until the math doesn't seem to make sense.

Night 2 I scanned Eden. He also came back not vanilla. I figured at this point it was worth just claiming.

So, if one of them is a PR, that would be ideal, but if not I think maybe I've got two. I'm just unsure about Bona though so I don't have him locked in as scum.

this tracks because i'm tracker

n1 scanned eden, no result

n2 scanned rd, no result

hardclaim

If you search with claim* a post on page 102 of that game comes up where Bona says:

i'm claiming tracker which is different


So I then did a deeper dive on that game for all his posts to find the one where he actually made the original claim.

[bozotheclown]

I think it is notable that the examples of Bonatogether making real claims are "I'm the deputy" and "I'm tracker", where here he said "I claim doctor" instead of "I am the doctor".

[bozotheclown]

THAT'S RIGHT @bozo! That post didn't come up. I had to do extra digging that game to find it when other posts came up that suggested a claim had been made.

The M79 post also did not get flagged with claim*, you needed *claim*. Here is the full post:

this tracks because i'm tracker

n1 scanned eden, no result

n2 scanned rd, no result

hardclaim

If you search with claim* a post on page 102 of that game comes up where Bona says:

i'm claiming tracker which is different


So I then did a deeper dive on that game for all his posts to find the one where he actually made the original claim.

Yes, I am sure you really found these claims by searching, regardless of your alignment.