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Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:39 am
by Bonatogether
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:36 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:25 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:03 am
But Fluminator was the one person
not in a position to break the tie as I have very clearly set out.
It appears clear to me that either:
a) Bona caused a tie in order to save Damo, or
b) Bona is a fucking idiot who could not order a potato salad, given 5 minutes and a clearly-written menu, in a restaurant which served only potato salad and no other foodstuffs.
I agree that is what it looks like Bonatogether was doing, but I think what Bonatogether was saying about Fluminator is that Fluminator's post proved that someone could have seen him tie the vote in time to break the tie, which is true.
Do you think it is reasonable to force a tie with, as you put it, 17 seconds to go,
and to legitimately expect that the tie will be broken?? WHY CAUSE A TIE WITH SUCH A SHORT SPACE OF FUCKING TIME REMAINING, FOR FUCKING JESUS CHRIST'S SAKE?
i didn't know there was that short a time remaining
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:40 am
by Jamiet99uk
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:39 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:36 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:25 am
I agree that is what it looks like Bonatogether was doing, but I think what Bonatogether was saying about Fluminator is that Fluminator's post proved that someone could have seen him tie the vote in time to break the tie, which is true.
Do you think it is reasonable to force a tie with, as you put it, 17 seconds to go,
and to legitimately expect that the tie will be broken?? WHY CAUSE A TIE WITH SUCH A SHORT SPACE OF FUCKING TIME REMAINING, FOR FUCKING JESUS CHRIST'S SAKE?
i didn't know there was that short a time remaining
Why take the risk if you didn't know?
Do you accept it was a really fucking stupid thing to do, if you are town?
Are you sorry?
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:43 am
by bozotheclown
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:11 am
I am caught up and I am extremely underwhelmed by Bozo's recent posts.
Bozo,
why is Damo town?
Look at Damo's reactions to any mention of the Doctor, and look at Damo's reaction to my survival last night, and make a clear logical case for him being town, please.
I am not moving from Damo unless I see some evidence that I am wrong. I have the courage of my convictions here, I really do.
I also agree damo's early posts D5 look suspicious, but I don't think they are necessarily inconsistent with damo as town trying to figure out what was going on.
This post made me think damo could just be town:
damo666 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:28 am
@Jamie pleased your plan worked but even more pleased realdoc tested you rather than cc which was a very powerful play imo. Problem is I'm not sure who that is, best guess Chaqa but obviously realdoc should not reveal.
And Jamie no, I'm not Roleblocker I just worked it out. It was the most logical solution.
So, all I know is
Jamie is town
I am town but not real doc
Bona is presumably town because if he were scum he'd have let me die.
Bozo and Chaqa I both townread and suspect one of them is doc.
So, scumpair is probably Flum Pyxxy although Flum voting Pyxxy a tad surprising.
Scumpairs in order of likelihood
Flum Pyxxy
Bozo Pyxxy
Chaqa Pyxxy
Bozo Flum
Chaqa Flum
Chaqa Bozo !!!!
@Jamie @Bona can we rule out any of these pairs?
However, this post made me think damo/Fluminator was still a possibility:
damo666 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:04 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:43 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:33 pm
You correctly surmise Bona and I are not scum partners. So, if Bona is scum then I am town. But if I am town why did Bona vote Flum to tie i=the vote if he is scum? Makes no sense. Ergo
BONA IS TOWN.
I think the world you're both town is more likely than the one where he's scum and you're town.
Anyway you'll notice I'm voting Flum. I'm not the one you need to convince.
OK. Who do you think is Flum's most likely partner?
Jamie looks stubbornly set. If nobody else moves would you consider voting Pyxxy?
I don't think Flum will fly. If I vote him he will vote me to self preserve. Even if Bona joins I still need somebody to switch from me to Flum.
Remind me, what's your thoughts on Pyxxy. Would you consider voting him?
So, I think Fluminator is a good DK today, because I think Fluminator/pyxxy and Fluminator/damo are reasonable possibilities, even though I would still not completely rule out damo/Bonatogether.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:44 am
by Jamiet99uk
If I seem to be acting unreasonably assertively, let me clarify my actions.
I do not think Bona is an idiot.
I think he is my opponent.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:45 am
by Jamiet99uk
At least Bozo is now trying to persuade me.
##Unend.
I will allow this to go the distance.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:46 am
by bozotheclown
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:36 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:25 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:03 am
But Fluminator was the one person
not in a position to break the tie as I have very clearly set out.
It appears clear to me that either:
a) Bona caused a tie in order to save Damo, or
b) Bona is a fucking idiot who could not order a potato salad, given 5 minutes and a clearly-written menu, in a restaurant which served only potato salad and no other foodstuffs.
I agree that is what it looks like Bonatogether was doing, but I think what Bonatogether was saying about Fluminator is that Fluminator's post proved that someone could have seen him tie the vote in time to break the tie, which is true.
Do you think it is reasonable to force a tie with, as you put it, 17 seconds to go,
and to legitimately expect that the tie will be broken?? WHY CAUSE A TIE WITH SUCH A SHORT SPACE OF FUCKING TIME REMAINING, FOR FUCKING JESUS CHRIST'S SAKE?
No, but I don't know if Bonatogether knew there were only 17 seconds left.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:53 am
by bozotheclown
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:44 am
If I seem to be acting unreasonably assertively, let me clarify my actions.
I do not think Bona is an idiot.
I think he is my opponent.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
I agree Bonatogether is capable of doing that deliberately as mafia, and I even think it was the best option he had at the time if Bonatogether and damo are mafia, but I can also buy him doing it as town.
Besides what Bonatogether and damo have said today, pyxxy and Fluminator spending their time so far D5 distancing and voting each other without outright scum reading each other also makes me suspect they are the remaining mafia.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:56 am
by Bonatogether
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:40 am
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:39 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:36 am
Do you think it is reasonable to force a tie with, as you put it, 17 seconds to go,
and to legitimately expect that the tie will be broken?? WHY CAUSE A TIE WITH SUCH A SHORT SPACE OF FUCKING TIME REMAINING, FOR FUCKING JESUS CHRIST'S SAKE?
i didn't know there was that short a time remaining
Why take the risk if you didn't know?
Do you accept it was a really fucking stupid thing to do, if you are town?
Are you sorry?
i did not believe the time was entirely too short. i was proven correct.
i accept my premise of there being more time than there actually was is incorrect
not especially
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:57 am
by Jamiet99uk
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:56 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:40 am
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:39 am
i didn't know there was that short a time remaining
Why take the risk if you didn't know?
Do you accept it was a really fucking stupid thing to do, if you are town?
Are you sorry?
i did not believe the time was entirely too short. i was proven correct.
i accept my premise of there being more time than there actually was is incorrect
not especially
Did you expect to learn something from the tie being broken?
Who did you think would break it?
Did you think your actions made it more likely that scum would flip, than if you had not cause a tie?
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:59 am
by Bonatogether
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:57 am
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:56 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:40 am
Why take the risk if you didn't know?
Do you accept it was a really fucking stupid thing to do, if you are town?
Are you sorry?
i did not believe the time was entirely too short. i was proven correct.
i accept my premise of there being more time than there actually was is incorrect
not especially
Did you expect to learn something from the tie being broken?
Who did you think would break it?
Did you think your actions made it more likely that scum would flip, than if you had not cause a tie?
yes
i cannot predict who is refreshing the thread and has fast enough reactions
i had no scumreads on the block at that moment.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:03 am
by Chaqa
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:38 am
I need to be presented with a clear argument that Damo is not scum.
That is yet to occur.
It's more about Flum matching more pairs and Damo being likely not the roleblocker
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:07 am
by bozotheclown
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:44 am
If I seem to be acting unreasonably assertively, let me clarify my actions.
I do not think Bona is an idiot.
I think he is my opponent.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
It also seems very unlikely that Bonatogether would tie the vote there if he is mafia and damo is town, so I do think damo should be DKed before Bonatogether.
If the assumption that Bonatogether is mafia only if damo is mafia is accurate, then the only combination I think are still possible are:
Bonatogether/damo
damo/Fluminator
damo/pyxxy
Fluminator/pyxxy
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:10 am
by Chaqa
I'm not sure Bona/Flum should be out of the picture yet.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:14 am
by Jamiet99uk
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:07 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:44 am
If I seem to be acting unreasonably assertively, let me clarify my actions.
I do not think Bona is an idiot.
I think he is my opponent.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
It also seems very unlikely that Bonatogether would tie the vote there if he is mafia and damo is town, so I do think damo should be DKed before Bonatogether.
If the assumption that Bonatogether is mafia only if damo is mafia is accurate, then the only combination I think are still possible are:
Bonatogether/damo
damo/Fluminator
damo/pyxxy
Fluminator/pyxxy
Then we should flip Damo.
Glad you agree.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:14 am
by Jamiet99uk
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:03 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:38 am
I need to be presented with a clear argument that Damo is not scum.
That is yet to occur.
It's more about Flum matching more pairs and Damo being likely not the roleblocker
Why isn't Damo the roleblocker?
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:19 am
by Chaqa
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:14 am
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:03 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:38 am
I need to be presented with a clear argument that Damo is not scum.
That is yet to occur.
It's more about Flum matching more pairs and Damo being likely not the roleblocker
Why isn't Damo the roleblocker?
I'll type something up summarizing this. I could be wrong, maybe doing a deep dive will help.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:22 am
by bozotheclown
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:10 am
I'm not sure Bona/Flum should be out of the picture yet.
I think Bonatogether would have anticipated drawing unnecessary suspicion for causing a tie, but maybe he really thought someone would break the tie.
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:23 am
by Chaqa
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:22 am
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:10 am
I'm not sure Bona/Flum should be out of the picture yet.
I think Bonatogether would have anticipated drawing unnecessary suspicion for causing a tie, but maybe he really thought someone would break the tie.
Well, let's look at the world where scum!Bona caused the tie, but expected it to be broken. That would mean he didn't care if Damo lived or died, he just wanted to ensure EITHER Damo or Bunny died, right?
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:27 am
by bozotheclown
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:35 pm
actually flum/pyxxy is not out it's just most likely out
If you think Fluminator/pyxxy is unlikely, and you think Fluminator is probably mafia, then why are you voting for pyxxy?
Re: M1025 Game Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:29 am
by bozotheclown
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:23 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:22 am
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:10 am
I'm not sure Bona/Flum should be out of the picture yet.
I think Bonatogether would have anticipated drawing unnecessary suspicion for causing a tie, but maybe he really thought someone would break the tie.
Well, let's look at the world where scum!Bona caused the tie, but expected it to be broken. That would mean he didn't care if Damo lived or died, he just wanted to ensure EITHER Damo or Bunny died, right?
Bonatogether caused a tie between Fluminator and damo, though.