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going through the bot first for some VCA

kinda surprised that my wagon disappeared like that but worcej's came back

always easiest to have a self-centered perspective so here's something that's probably meaningless

everyone who voted me today ended on worcej, except brainbomb who ended on damo

I'm a pretty frequent wagon on TheSyndicate and so I'm used to it but it's always interesting as the wagon to see why or why it doesn't take off, and here it feels like there was one scum pushing it but town didn't really bite

not putting a second scum on me means to me that there wasn't much pressure on scum around that time, looks like 2-3 hours before EOD in peterbot

meaning that something like "3 boz 2 pyx 2 Jam 2 Flu" weren't concerning wagons for scum, or at least felt playable

caveat in that I haven't caught up to EOD yet, doing that after this post

so I feel like I have two lists, this list of not-that-scary wagons:
bozo, pyxxy (myself), Jamiet, and Flum

along with people who voted me today, besides brain:
Chaqa, RDR, bozo (very brief before worcej though), bunny, damo

kinda willing to strike bozo from that second list too given how this VCA is looking

the rest of those people are who I keep a mental note to look for during catch up now to see why they ended on worcej

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:46 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:43 pm

Hi Chaqa.

Hello. Just lurking. Nothing has really caught my eye about these discussions.

lmao

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:57 pm

these wagonomics are cancer

• don’t mind Flum, but like, why lol
• not bozo
• not pyxxy
• not me
• Jamie… probably not, don’t really see it
• not Bunny
• there is one vote on ghug
• there are zero votes on worc

wtf are we doing boys

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:00 pm

VOTE COUNT

Fluminator (3): Chaqa, Jamiet99uk, brainbomb
bozotheclown (2): Bonatogether, worcej
pyxxy (2): rdrivera2005, damo666
President Eden (2): BunnyGo, ghug
Jamiet99uk (2): Fluminator, bozotheclown
BunnyGo (1): pyxxy
ghug (1): President Eden

Flum's cookies are at risk of burning. Will he pull them out in time? Find out in 2 hours.

love a GM with a sense of humor re: this post timing

zero votes on worcej here really is kinda wild

hm

@pyxxy I ended up on worcej in preference to bozo and said as much.

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:12 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:09 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:07 pm

i very clearly prefer two other options and just called your wagon “glorified RNG”

wtf are you talking about

You were setting yourself to vote him later, so I can clearly see what he is talking about.

I was stating that if I can’t get ghug or worc then out of the remaining wagons I think Flum is the best shot.

I also think it’s a crapshoot and that we have five town wagons right now.

So I’m asking the people who are voting him why, to start a conversation which I hope results in either (1) me receiving convincing reasons why Flum is scum and not just a “good enough for D1” shot, or (2) me convincing others to vote for ghug or worc.

I guess this might make me look at Eden a little bit more carefully, although I felt like we mindmelded on ghug being weird

maybe I'm not considering that scum might have felt less certain about preventing a flashwagon if there were no strong wagons this _relatively_ close to EOD, ~1.75 hours out

let me be clear I'm presenting this as if Eden were literally the scum thinking this and I'm nowhere near that certain but it does make me feel yet another bit better about that group of four I had

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:08 am

@pyxxy I ended up on worcej in preference to bozo and said as much.

ty sir o7 sorry if I'm slow getting there and so I do appreciate the spoiler (since it's not like I didn't ask to keep the suspense)

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:25 pm

this also shouldnt be news to anyone nor out of character so shut your pie hole if youre gonna say its scummy im
going this route

brainbomb would have to be pretty brave scum to post this + this list
damo-bozo-pyxxy-rdrivera-flum

brain drop me a link to your best scum game ever, I wanna see how you talk about your partners, because I think this makes you look pretty good (yes this is me pocketing you)

but given I'm mentally framing EOD rn as scum nervous about not having a steady wagon, you would basically have to be scum proposing all town here -> and doing so in order to signal to your scummates that y'all should wagon together on one of these people

and uh, that very much did not happen

ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:31 pm

Chaqa should also be on the hard to read list but I don't want to kill him today.

Did anyone ask you "why?" about this opinion? Or why you felt the need to post it? I'm asking that second part neutrally.

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:15 pm

I don't have a read on bozo but I don't think he's a great day 1 kill.
I'm willing to sheep brain and ghug's read on jamiet for now, he usually ends up being easier to read later on anyway.

Out of remaining ones, PE is the scummiest but probably biggest loss to town if wrong. I think I only ever played one other game with pyxxy, are they usually good as town?

no but I _am_ fun :D

jk, in all honesty I'm not sure, I did very well at reading people in this little "mafia league" competition thingy that happened over the last few months, which was flipless and had us submit reads every night that got scored at the end of each game for accuracy

and like, I did pretty good. But. I also got cased hard by two wolves in two games for reasons that I kinda OMGUS'd and so....not sure how I actually feel about my reads

but I do think I can smell a bullshit case made against myself. or at least I'm moving my personal description of my persona and skill set in that general direction (since it seems like it's something I can do to help town)

a lot of hating in the last ~30 minutes or so on the worcej/bozo wagons after Eden made it cool to hate on wagons

definitely not any TMI in these opinions, no sir, not even a drop

alright I made it to SON, going to sleep now, will finish catching up tomorrow

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:53 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:27 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:26 pm

quit confbiasing and pull your head out of your ass

Well then.

I had my head up my ass about ghug and bona.

Changed my mind

I’d rather not kill Bozo. I think people are wrong

Worcej is ok

Damo would be ok

Jamie is probably wrong.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:39 pm

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:38 pm

Bunny I don't think a damo kill is happening today

There’s 20 minutes.

I hate these wagons

What happened in these 12 minutes to change your mind on worcej?

Was him or you. I tried other options till the end.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:05 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:00 am

I'm beginning to thinkEren looks ingenuine.

The ghug/PE/BunnyGo interactions look odd to me, they could have been bussing each other D1.

Just watch us day 2!

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:15 am

Trying not to tunnel but I really wanna tunnel
Trying not to tunnel but I really wanna tunnel
Trying not to tunnel but I really wanna tunnel

I was thinking the same thing!!!!

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:20 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:39 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:38 pm

I took this post to mean you didn't scumread me anymore. What did you actually mean?

Yeah...was waffling on you, and bona's post dump seemed reasonable to change my thoughts.

But then they asked my what I posted in the GT, and I found myself convinced a bit...

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:44 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:43 pm

Fine. ##vote ghug

Don’t f**k this up people

You could give us all the reasons you sent to the godthread for ghug being scum if you want this vote to have a chance at meaning anything.

It seems like you went back to suspecting ghug again before you were asked that.

Yeah…his shifting stance on Eden convinced me he might be town. Then I reread my opening notes on him. Was willing to vote him again.

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:26 am

radio bona reporting in from a deep dark tunnel, i think bozo might be doing a bit. only scum!bozo would think to do a bit.

What about these posts doesn’t feel towny to you? The focus on just 3 of us?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:08 am

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:01 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:53 am

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

I guess in retrospect, worc's posting in this game, had it come from scum, would have been more brazen about the strategy than in those games. And I obviously got it wrong here, so you may be right. It doesn't matter much now anyway, outside of evaluating whether you believe I believe what I'm saying I guess

That is what I am trying to determine, if you had a reason to believe what you were saying.

What do you think about the possibility that BunnyGo was bussing ghug D1?

0% go look at games when I’ve bussed day 1

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:10 am

I can defend myself tomorrow if I'm alive if I have to, but if I die, I'd suggest looking at people who keep saying how sure they were worcej was scum. It was essentially a lurker day 1 crapshoot kill and I'm struggling to think so much passion was behind that kill lol.

Flum is flumming

Ok. Some general thoughts:

Pyxxy is trending better but still unsure. Bona’s post is towniest thing pyxxy’s done.

Bona is trending worse

Jamie is town.

Chaqa is town…but slightly worried.

Ghug is trending townier. But unsure.

Watch damo. Maybe just get him.

Brain towny.

Bozo towny but trend is scummy. Still think that was TvT.

Rdr is saying my thoughts. Rdr never says my thoughts. Am I getting better at this game?! Unlikely. Watch rdr.

Ghug got scum points for EOD.

Eden isn’t this bad as scum…is he?

Taking kid to doctor again (and every 2 weeks for foreseeable future). Will be at my parents tonight. May go back to lurking. I’m talking too much.