M1025 Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Was him or you. I tried other options till the end.

I meant in the first post you seemed to be saying you were OK with the worcej wagon, then 12 minutes later you did not like either me or worcej as wagons.

Ok in that first post was “willing to vote”. Subtly different than happy about.

This was BunnyGo's response when I asked him to clarify, but it does not explain why he started disliking the worcej wagon so much, or why he thought damo was a better option after the first post seemed to put worcej and damo at the same level:

ScUmSlIp?!

quit confbiasing and pull your head out of your ass

Well then.

I had my head up my ass about ghug and bona.

Changed my mind

I’d rather not kill Bozo. I think people are wrong

Worcej is ok

Damo would be ok

Jamie is probably wrong.

[bozotheclown]

Bonatogether - town
bozotheclown - fairly confident he's scum but i think i'm confbiasing and wrong
brainbomb - townread
BunnyGo - bongus primus
Chaqa - leantown
damo666 - really dislike his eod1
Fluminator - weird but idk if scummy
ghug - said i have merit. unclear why he decided he ended to end on worcej, which makes him look a lot worse if bozo is scum so i will decide to scumread him as well
Jamiet99uk - widely townread but i'm not fully sure why. i vote leanscum
President Eden - leantown
pyxxy - townread

How can you be confident I am mafia but think you are wrong about it?

[ghug]

What I have gleaned from catch up:

Jamie is locktown

Scum are playing well

Town are floundering

Unsure if Eden's frustration is genuine. Even if it is does that preclude him from being scum?

I have thoughts on the final point but I think others' are more useful right now. Bug me about it tomorrow.

Please tell.

Quote facility back.

1. I think his frustration is absolutely genuine. We've fought pretty uglily a couple times recently and I don't believe he'd try to provoke that again for shits and giggles.
2. I think he's a lot like me in that he's a really invested debater and thus gets frustrated when he thinks people are arguing nonsensically or in bad faith. That can be town pissed off at a read you don't think is fair or scum caught for the wrong reasons.
3. I tend to be biased towards not reassessing when people have emotional outbursts at me, so take it with a grain of salt (ironically I tried to correct this with Jamie last game and ended up falsely townreading him for a while), but I still think Eden's scum here, and I think he absolutely tried to bully me into dropping the scumread.

[ghug]

##Vote Ghug

What did I do?

[ghug]

i hate that i believe this

I forgot about this lol. Bunny, was this actually your secret notes on ghug? What happened to your scumread on him anyway?

Got less sure, and damo went up the ranks.

And yeah...those were my actual messages to the GT.

Eden hating that he believed that felt scummy, but also felt like confbias that I thought it was scummy.

Why would hating he believed it feel scummy?

[ghug]

Good talk, damo.

Ok, well....I'm at my parents' today all day.

For those of you fortunate enough to have parents you like (or at least don't dislike) give them a call today. It's a nice thing to do while you can.

Giving me a hard time because I just rejected my parents' dinner invite?

[ghug]

What I have gleaned from catch up:

Jamie is locktown

Scum are playing well

Town are floundering

Unsure if Eden's frustration is genuine. Even if it is does that preclude him from being scum?

I don’t know, scum are like trouting at best.

Trout may very well be the GOAT.

[Bonatogether]

Bonatogether - town
bozotheclown - fairly confident he's scum but i think i'm confbiasing and wrong
brainbomb - townread
BunnyGo - bongus primus
Chaqa - leantown
damo666 - really dislike his eod1
Fluminator - weird but idk if scummy
ghug - said i have merit. unclear why he decided he ended to end on worcej, which makes him look a lot worse if bozo is scum so i will decide to scumread him as well
Jamiet99uk - widely townread but i'm not fully sure why. i vote leanscum
President Eden - leantown
pyxxy - townread

How can you be confident I am mafia but think you are wrong about it?

it's called metacognition

[President Eden]

I wouldn't try to chainsaw or attack somebody into dropping a correct scumread

Obviously there's no way to prove that, and there's nothing that would make me unable to do it

But I wouldn't want to succeed that way, it's bad for the game

[bozotheclown]

Bonatogether - town
bozotheclown - fairly confident he's scum but i think i'm confbiasing and wrong
brainbomb - townread
BunnyGo - bongus primus
Chaqa - leantown
damo666 - really dislike his eod1
Fluminator - weird but idk if scummy
ghug - said i have merit. unclear why he decided he ended to end on worcej, which makes him look a lot worse if bozo is scum so i will decide to scumread him as well
Jamiet99uk - widely townread but i'm not fully sure why. i vote leanscum
President Eden - leantown
pyxxy - townread

What did you not like about damo's D1 EOD, and why are you not assuming ghug moved to worcej in the last minute to prevent a tie?

[President Eden]

Plus that wouldn't work on you anyway ghug lol.

I'd feel like an idiot if it failed and a total shitbag if it succeeded

[ghug]

Bonatogether - town
bozotheclown - fairly confident he's scum but i think i'm confbiasing and wrong
brainbomb - townread
BunnyGo - bongus primus
Chaqa - leantown
damo666 - really dislike his eod1
Fluminator - weird but idk if scummy
ghug - said i have merit. unclear why he decided he ended to end on worcej, which makes him look a lot worse if bozo is scum so i will decide to scumread him as well
Jamiet99uk - widely townread but i'm not fully sure why. i vote leanscum
President Eden - leantown
pyxxy - townread

Vote over tie bad want the pleasure of having voted worcej if he flips scum

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote Ghug

What did I do?

Old news I'm voting Bozo now

[ghug]

##Vote Bunnygo

Woke up feeling pretty confident on this

When he's scum he talks about his schedule and when he's not available to play. When he's town he doesn't bother with that.

The notes he sends to the God thread are usually pretty detailed too and I don't believe the notes he shared are what he actually sent which means it was just a performative statement to look town. (Or he's sending notes to the God thread as scum about potential miskill targets)

Is this accurate? I think Bunny always talks about his schedule.

The God thread point is fair but I still think the whole picture is very towny.

[bozotheclown]

I wouldn't try to chainsaw or attack somebody into dropping a correct scumread

Obviously there's no way to prove that, and there's nothing that would make me unable to do it

But I wouldn't want to succeed that way, it's bad for the game

This is why I thought you and ghug may both be mafia here, but I may be mis-reading the situation.

[ghug]

it's not about a threatened scumread

it's about me refusing on principle to even remotely reconsider a world where you might be town and being 100% willing to throw the game because of it.

you've been doing this manipulative bullshit all game and i'm done with it. come correct or don't come at all. stop fucking spinning shit. you're just fucking lying about what i'm doing

If you feel ghug has repeatedly misrepresented what you have said, why not just assume he is mafia manufacturing a scum read and vote to have him removed from the game by way of DK?

because the last time I thought someone was doing this, it was brain last game, and I was wrong about him being mafia. and I'm aware after several games of running into this that I read more into certain terms of phrase other people use than they even notice in their own words, and often misread them for it.

so that was meant to be a final offer to him, in case he's town, to change his approach before I did in fact just assume on principle that he was mafia for the rest of the game ("death tunnel")

he subsequently stepped away and did, imo, change his approach

I'm gonna call you out the next time I think you're being scummy, to be clear. I just thought harping on there was a bad idea.

[bozotheclown]

If you feel ghug has repeatedly misrepresented what you have said, why not just assume he is mafia manufacturing a scum read and vote to have him removed from the game by way of DK?

because the last time I thought someone was doing this, it was brain last game, and I was wrong about him being mafia. and I'm aware after several games of running into this that I read more into certain terms of phrase other people use than they even notice in their own words, and often misread them for it.

so that was meant to be a final offer to him, in case he's town, to change his approach before I did in fact just assume on principle that he was mafia for the rest of the game ("death tunnel")

he subsequently stepped away and did, imo, change his approach

I'm gonna call you out the next time I think you're being scummy, to be clear. I just thought harping on there was a bad idea.

Can you clarify the most significant reasons why you suspect PE is mafia this game?

[ghug]

##Vote bunny

Brain, I think you're falling victim to recency bias. Bunny had a very townie D1 and has been less impressive today, but he also clearly hasn't been around much. Flum and bozo (and to some extent Eden) were around last night and put in some nominal solving effort, which both are fully capable of doing as scum. I don't think you should be rethinking your reads on these people.

[brainbomb]

##Vote bunny

Brain, I think you're falling victim to recency bias. Bunny had a very townie D1 and has been less impressive today, but he also clearly hasn't been around much. Flum and bozo (and to some extent Eden) were around last night and put in some nominal solving effort, which both are fully capable of doing as scum. I don't think you should be rethinking your reads on these people.

while this is true; all my reads were based on the idea that I just cant read bozo-damo-flum-pyxxy and they all share a common demoniator : Bunny

[ghug]

What happened in these 12 minutes to change your mind on worcej?

Was him or you. I tried other options till the end.

This was BunnyGo's response N1 when I asked him about apparently changing his position on worcej, and it did not answer the question.

He tried to make someone else happen and then picked one when that failed, which is consistent with what he's saying and the opinions he's expressed.