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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3501 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:05 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:34 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:18 pm
I just think towncore sniping at each other is unproductive.

Brain-Bozo-Bunny-Chaqa-Jamie is a mighty towncore and yet we infighted a lot
Ae you talking about in general, because the problem is we do not know when each other is town. I am still not sure you are town this game.
I mean, I don't know you're town, but I believe you are and am operating in that way. I wasn't sure about some of my reads, for example Brain helped convince me about Bunny being town:
Chaqa wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:09 pm
brainbomb wrote:
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Chaqa wrote:
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I agree somewhat on Bunny, but do you not see any similarities to his playstyle last game as mafia?
Not at all. he was more hollow and asking for advice last game.

examples like when he hid for most of day 1 then shows up saying he scumreads me. then starts asking if I always post a read and then change it. the replies were less sharp. his presence was distant all game and im picking up he really thinks eden is scum here. and isnt asking an audiences approval on it
Hmm yeah that makes sense. Bunny almost made the cut for my "do not vote" list, so I'm fine throwing him on it by consensus, since that's how town should function.

PoE narrowed.
he was right

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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3502 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:06 pm

pyxxy wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:48 pm
maybe we can at least safely discuss no-kill vs risking it all
I think this discussion largely depends on who dies tonight, unfortunately.

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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3503 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:14 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:06 pm
pyxxy wrote:
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maybe we can at least safely discuss no-kill vs risking it all
I think this discussion largely depends on who dies tonight, unfortunately.
I concur.
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3504 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:16 pm

Here's my big takeaways following this whole debacle:
- Bozo/Jamie still town
- Bona went from locktown if Bunny was scum to real sus
- Flum looks bad again, probably scumKing#1
- Damo also looks bad
- Pyxxy is the last realistic bussing candidate

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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3505 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:36 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
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I assume Chaqa is referring to Bonatogether.
i haven't posted in other threads on this site in a while
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3506 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:38 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:18 pm
I just think towncore sniping at each other is unproductive.

Brain-Bozo-Bunny-Chaqa-Jamie is a mighty towncore and yet we infighted a lot
i severely doubt that's entirely town
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3507 Post by pyxxy » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:38 pm

actually yeah I think maybe this is a good starting place

feel free not to answer this until EON/SOD if you're worried about it

but I've already made it clear I think jamie dies tn so :/

Survey: "Who would die the next night if we voted no-kill?"

I'm pretty sure it would be chaqa or bozo based on who is pointing fingers at who. Bozo (and myself to be clear) were just wrong about bunny, but bozo is and has been generally townread. Chaqa was right about town!bunny (before the fakeclaim) and has wanted Flum dead for days. I know damo has been expressing concerns about Chaqa being deep scum but I just don't see it?

More importantly damo and Chaqa can't be paired because Chaqa started the speedwagon on damo D3 and held to it and would have flipped damo if not for bona's tie.

Bussing Flum since like D1 but also bussing ghug the entire time seems.....also insane, Chaqa never voted bunny D3 and consistently townread him so if he had moved last second to save Flum, that would basically be outing for the two of them. Chaqa not paired with Flum.

I think it's possible that people could think I'm paired with Chaqa (or Chaqa is paired with me, idk, maybe he wants his name first and he's going to yell at me in scum chat after this), given I've frequently the third name after ghug and flum. But this is only possible if Flum is town because if Flum is scum then there's only one scum left.

Searching bona's ISO for interactions with Chaqa, "Chaqa - leantown" later in D2. Bona spends a lot of time disagreeing with Chaqa, specifically questioning a lot of Chaqa's townreads. Bona gets pretty up in Chaqa's face here:
Bonatogether wrote:
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why were you desperately trying to avoid a bunny kill @chaqa
in a way that I just don't think makes sense for a pair? Maybe this is bona realizing that he messed up with the tie and now they both agreed that they have to distance from each other during the night? And if anything Chaqa doesn't seem to respond to bona as much as bona responds to Chaqa. Considers this possible but not probable, and probably just bona looking sus. Chaqa also votes bona on D2 and has bona as sus multiple times, but then goes for ghug instead (obviously), and it would be odd to distance/bus both partners on a day when you could just not get ghug killed. Granted bona didn't vote ghug, but yeah.

I see that Chaqa responded while I was writing this (I'm in ur ISO buddy >:) ) and continues to still have Bozo as town + after D1/D2 voting where I guess it's possible that ghug+bozo were both wagons and Chaqa & co. decided that bussing ghug was more important D2? I don't see it really. But I also townread bozo so that's a bias here.

Chaqa in that same post a few moments ago (or w/e it's fresh in the ISO) keeps Jamie as town. Cherrypicking bits from Chaqa's ISO, Jamie was a "will vote" on D1 as part of a "worcej, ghug, Jamie" solve.
Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:27 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:25 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:23 pm
Think about it. Put some effort in.

I'm going to do it as well.

My thinking is that if we can find a consensus person who is suspicious *regardless* of Bozo's alignment, then we could just kill that person.
This would be a very useful suggestion for a Bozo-Chaqa-xxx scumteam to come up with, would it not?
Well, anything can be a useful suggestion to a hypothetical scumteam that suits your argument, can't it?
This would seem relevant...hm. There was also the "let's hammer Jamie moment". That would be galaxy brain distancing.
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Ok but just tell me the plan should Bunny flip doc [after killing Jamie]
I don't want to kill Jamie ever.

Bunny won't flip doc. His "claim" and subsequent actions are the most clear cause of caught scum I've ever seen.
Chaqa progresses from null/slight sr to townreading Jamie during this game in a way that I find pretty reasonable. I think galaxy brain distancing is not really a thing here. He goes right to chopping bunny even before Jamie claims at EON and like also that would mean Jamie is fakeclaiming as scum here which I just cannot fathom because the real doc will just die tn or claim tomorrow. So Jamie = town = cannot be a scum pair (unless again Chaqa for some reason thinks that winning in F3 is the best strategy which.....no).

TLDR: I think I'm feeling more than fine about Chaqa, there's no obvious pairings and even the possible ones (me/bona) are pretty unlikely and more likely due to our own behavior than anything Chaqa has done.

(sorry I went off on this, Chaqa didn't do his own pairings from what I could tell? felt like an obvious thing I could contribute and also helps solidify my townread on him)
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3508 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:38 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:36 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:34 pm
I assume Chaqa is referring to Bonatogether.
i haven't posted in other threads on this site in a while
No, apparently he was talking about Damo's behaviour days ago.
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3509 Post by pyxxy » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:40 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:38 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:18 pm
I just think towncore sniping at each other is unproductive.

Brain-Bozo-Bunny-Chaqa-Jamie is a mighty towncore and yet we infighted a lot
i severely doubt that's entirely town
coloring just to help make it clear what you're saying......
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3510 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:43 pm

pyxxy wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:40 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:38 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:18 pm
I just think towncore sniping at each other is unproductive.

Brain-Bozo-Bunny-Chaqa-Jamie is a mighty towncore and yet we infighted a lot
i severely doubt that's entirely town
coloring just to help make it clear what you're saying......
i know what i said
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3511 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:47 pm

Jamie is town.

So do you think Bozo is scum? Or me?

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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3512 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:26 pm

i don't believe this town is doing well enough that there are no deep threats

the poe of around 3 or 4 people would indicate to any townie in that that there's a game solve or almost to it

manifestly we aren't there

ergo there must be deep scum
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#3513 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:27 pm

i'd point the finger at bozo first but you're there too, chaqa
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3514 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:28 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:26 pm
i don't believe this town is doing well enough that there are no deep threats

the poe of around 3 or 4 people would indicate to any townie in that that there's a game solve or almost to it

manifestly we aren't there

ergo there must be deep scum
You would say this if you were concerned there is too strong of a town core.

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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3515 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:28 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:27 pm
i'd point the finger at bozo first but you're there too, chaqa
I think the deepest threat possibility is pyxxy at this point.

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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3516 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:30 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:28 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:26 pm
i don't believe this town is doing well enough that there are no deep threats

the poe of around 3 or 4 people would indicate to any townie in that that there's a game solve or almost to it

manifestly we aren't there

ergo there must be deep scum
You would say this if you were concerned there is too strong of a town core.
i don't know about that but look at the point itself

it's simply true
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3517 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:31 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:28 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:27 pm
i'd point the finger at bozo first but you're there too, chaqa
I think the deepest threat possibility is pyxxy at this point.
he's firmly poe

really we shouldn't have poe/towncore but pool of open scum and hidden scum
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3518 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:34 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:31 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:28 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:27 pm
i'd point the finger at bozo first but you're there too, chaqa
I think the deepest threat possibility is pyxxy at this point.
he's firmly poe

really we shouldn't have poe/towncore but pool of open scum and hidden scum
I think that's a bad way to actually win the game.

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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3519 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:51 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:34 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:31 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:28 pm


I think the deepest threat possibility is pyxxy at this point.
he's firmly poe

really we shouldn't have poe/towncore but pool of open scum and hidden scum
I think that's a bad way to actually win the game.
i don't believe the list of names being called towncore merits that
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Re: M1025 Game Thread

#3520 Post by Fluminator » Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:01 pm

When we're in milo, I don't think we can afford to have any towncore (although I recognize it's easy for me to say being in most people's poe)
It's always best to reset all reads going into the final day and giving no free passes to anyone. If we come to the same conclusions, whatever, but at least we double check everything.
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