M80 Game Thread

[brainbomb]

Ehhhh, okay rereading now this whole dousing thing is a massive beaver trap. I need to back off of my assumptions for a second. There is way too much chatter and the obvious answer here is just that driver was used on dousing.

Why is it obvious that dousing was driven?

I need to think about it better. and stop blurting out my first thoughts on things. I assume there is some gambits happening here that was planned.

[Foxcastle]

I think Worcej &co made an error. I was thinking about how irritated I am that town will get basically no information from today, and then I realized that that's by design. Worcej immediately announced the "result" of his scan (why not hold the result and see what happens and announce it later after some data has been generated), BUT they also moved the deadline up 24 hours so that people would be less likely to pause, step back, and reassess. Dead townie, wasted day, and likely a forced PR claim to resolve Worcej.

##VOTE WORCEJ

I really love the effort to salvage something from your loss Fox. I really commend it.

Now die you Royalist pig!

These little digs make you look active, but people should be asking if you've actually done anything today. (I actually don't know, I'm not really reading the thread.)

[brainbomb]

ghug doesnt even flinch at dousing staunchest defender dying.


which presents a scenario ghug-exclusive

like if ghug is scum here, and dousing is scum here, then ghug can look great if dousing has been driver-ed, so as to make it seem like hes town in a cop scan. So ghug would be disinclined to acknowledge pyxxy dying maybe changes anything.

if dousing is scum and is not the subject of a driver effort, and ghug also is scum, once again ghug would gain more by not even acknowledging pyxxys stances there, and can just bus freely.

if dousing is town, and ghug is town, then ghug is just ignoring the nk because nk's are wifom, and ghug knows what he knows and doesnt care what it looks like.

if dousing is scum and ghug is town, ghug doesnt give a shit who died last night and isnt gonna adjust a scumread based on wifom.

I geniunely cannot discern which scenario is most likely. and I really think ive accurately presented every ghug persona here fairly.

[President Eden]

Just going to point out in the unlikely universe where worcej is scum, real Navigator should cc because worcej probably claimed d1 knowing he was a bomberman. A cc here kills scum and prevents a suicide bomb

[worcej]

Ehhhh, okay rereading now this whole dousing thing is a massive beaver trap. I need to back off of my assumptions for a second. There is way too much chatter and the obvious answer here is just that driver was used on dousing.

Why is it obvious that dousing was driven?

I need to think about it better. and stop blurting out my first thoughts on things. I assume there is some gambits happening here that was planned.

Maybe, and it continues to be a thought in my mind - but I always stop because I have to think why would scum think Foxcastle would be a target of a scan specifically to warrant the drive on him?

[worcej]

I think Worcej &co made an error. I was thinking about how irritated I am that town will get basically no information from today, and then I realized that that's by design. Worcej immediately announced the "result" of his scan (why not hold the result and see what happens and announce it later after some data has been generated), BUT they also moved the deadline up 24 hours so that people would be less likely to pause, step back, and reassess. Dead townie, wasted day, and likely a forced PR claim to resolve Worcej.

##VOTE WORCEJ

I really love the effort to salvage something from your loss Fox. I really commend it.

Now die you Royalist pig!

These little digs make you look active, but people should be asking if you've actually done anything today. (I actually don't know, I'm not really reading the thread.)

I am giddy and excited I most likely caught a scum and may have yet again won the game of chicken with a scum team.

[brainbomb]

Why is it obvious that dousing was driven?

I need to think about it better. and stop blurting out my first thoughts on things. I assume there is some gambits happening here that was planned.

Maybe, and it continues to be a thought in my mind - but I always stop because I have to think why would scum think Foxcastle would be a target of a scan specifically to warrant the drive on him?

No, I was not speculating on fox being innocent. He was incredibly scummy apart from the cop scan anyway. Like he had almost no discernable scumreads.

I meant that if dousing was mafia, it is likely they used a driver on dousing so he would appear town, and then the whole thing makes all dousings voters look like scum.

[Haze with a Z]

Assuming Fox is scum I think the other 3 are Dousing, Haze and one of {Bona, Bunny, Kak, rdr, X}

Talk us through your thoughts here, Damo.

Townreading the unmentioned. Dousing and Haze seem the most 'flappy'. Nothing more specific.

Pretty confident in my townreads.

*flap flap*
Read up to here so far. Catching the rest of the way up as well.

[Haze with a Z]

sorry that got formatted weirdly but the idea is that pyxxy dying makes dousing more likely to be town

I think what I need to be able to say dousing is town is to actually be online at the same time as them. Which I have been once and all they did was vote fox.

[President Eden]

Yea I don’t really see a way that bus driver on Fox makes sense here. To tee up a guilty deliberately, you would have to be so confident in one specific person being scanned that you elected not to jail worcej. Not just confident that the scan would be used at all that night—which is a big leap!—but that it would be used on [NAME] who you then bus drove with Fox.

Either one of them is scum, Fox got caught in the worst accident ever, or both are scum making a play.

Worst accident is possible but I can’t assess likelihood to save my life on that. Requires way too much info not available.

Both being scum seems very dumb but the solution to that world is to hang Fox and let real Navigator cc.

Otherwise it’s one or the other

[President Eden]

That all said, Fox got to that conclusion way too fast so he’s probably still scum lol rip

[ghug]

Also people keep scumreading dousing and I should probably point out that pyxxy was very against the dousing wagon, and called out fox directly for being on it.

damo and worcej being on Dousing is confounding

ghug explained, bozo explained, rdr asleep/at work

damo like just gave Dousing a pass :|

Ok you get a pass for now.

worcej naked voted with no other posts

##vote Dousing

Dousing is clearly an afk townie who is going to miss EOD and town doesn't gain anything at all by flipping Dousing here.

Nothing to be gained. At all.

It's a mistake to not have wagons at least be between Bozo and Eden.

Damo, worcej, and rdr still on Dousing. Incredible.

Bozo is self pres so I don't mind it.

This vote is terrible and you know it.

It seems to me that when mafia go to set up the next series of miskills, and youre sitting in scumchat deciding who to kill...
you prioritize
who is a threat to us
who is a PR maybe
who poses an impediment to our goals (with regards to miskills)

and usually nightkill logic avoids things like
Hey lets kill this guy because they are hard defending one of our weaker team members

Using this logic, or even some of this logic, it should lead you to question what pyxyy was doing, and based on this, maybe they just really wanted dousing to die next

Pyxxy also said Dousing's stock was falling towards the end of the night.

[brainbomb]

No I think dousing makes sense as a driver target as both alignments.

like if dousing is town, mafia bets on dousing getting scanned so they juxtapose them using driver with a maf member

if dousing is scum, mafia bets they get scanned and juxtaposes them with a random townie.

[Haze with a Z]

Yea I don’t really see a way that bus driver on Fox makes sense here. To tee up a guilty deliberately, you would have to be so confident in one specific person being scanned that you elected not to jail worcej. Not just confident that the scan would be used at all that night—which is a big leap!—but that it would be used on [NAME] who you then bus drove with Fox.

Either one of them is scum, Fox got caught in the worst accident ever, or both are scum making a play.

Worst accident is possible but I can’t assess likelihood to save my life on that. Requires way too much info not available.

Both being scum seems very dumb but the solution to that world is to hang Fox and let real Navigator cc.

Otherwise it’s one or the other

I agree that the bus driver play seems unlikely and if someone was bus driven, I would be more worried that it is someone else tbh if someone was bus driven.

[brainbomb]

thank you for the reply ghug. would you agree with the concept that nka is all just wifom anyway.

[ghug]

Just going to point out in the unlikely universe where worcej is scum, real Navigator should cc because worcej probably claimed d1 knowing he was a bomberman. A cc here kills scum and prevents a suicide bomb

I'm the real navigator but I also have a guilty scan on Fox.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ehhhh, okay rereading now this whole dousing thing is a massive beaver trap. I need to back off of my assumptions for a second. There is way too much chatter and the obvious answer here is just that driver was used on dousing.

The obvious answer?

That is, you think it is more likely than not, that Dousing is scum and was switched with Foxcastle, who is innocent?

[brainbomb]

Ehhhh, okay rereading now this whole dousing thing is a massive beaver trap. I need to back off of my assumptions for a second. There is way too much chatter and the obvious answer here is just that driver was used on dousing.

The obvious answer?

That is, you think it is more likely than not, that Dousing is scum and was switched with Foxcastle, who is innocent?

No. Not even remotely at all. The two topics are totally not related.
Everyone keeps reading my post thinking im saying fox and dousing were swapped by driver, and thats not even at all anything close to what im saying.

What I am actually surmising is that the LIKELIEST person to have been driver targeted is dousing, and its true for both alignments wrt dousing.

[ghug]

thank you for the reply ghug. would you agree with the concept that nka is all just wifom anyway.

It mostly is, but there are moments where it means something. We definitely need to keep looking to understand why last night was so weird.

[sweetandcool]

Just going to point out in the unlikely universe where worcej is scum, real Navigator should cc because worcej probably claimed d1 knowing he was a bomberman. A cc here kills scum and prevents a suicide bomb

I'm the real navigator but I also have a guilty scan on Fox.

Is this a real claim?