M80 Game Thread

[damo666]

Assuming Fox is scum I think the other 3 are Dousing, Haze and one of {Bona, Bunny, Kak, rdr, X}

Talk us through your thoughts here, Damo.

Townreading the unmentioned. Dousing and Haze seem the most 'flappy'. Nothing more specific.

Pretty confident in my townreads.

[Jamiet99uk]

Assuming Fox is scum I think the other 3 are Dousing, Haze and one of {Bona, Bunny, Kak, rdr, X}

Talk us through your thoughts here, Damo.

Townreading the unmentioned. Dousing and Haze seem the most 'flappy'. Nothing more specific.

Pretty confident in my townreads.

"Flappy" meaning they tend to change their opinion frequently, as in someone "flip-flopping", or do you mean something else?

[brainbomb]

I think you're being slightly kind to me here, but I'm not sure.... Do you have an opinion on Bozo's theory? I concluded that Bozo was wrong to read the Fox / Kak interaction as scum!fox addressing scum!kak. However since I posted that analysis, Fox has been flagged as likely scum by Worcej's scan. So, could Bozo have been on to something?

I think your playing a pretty solid game. I do not off the top of my head know exactly what bozo theory you are referring too and I dont really think kak and fox are scum together.

Can you provide me with what bozo's theory was about fox? I was not able to find that

[worcej]

he did that and still got a guilty scan off

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[brainbomb]

Also people keep scumreading dousing and I should probably point out that pyxxy was very against the dousing wagon, and called out fox directly for being on it.

damo and worcej being on Dousing is confounding

ghug explained, bozo explained, rdr asleep/at work

damo like just gave Dousing a pass :|

Trust me, I'll be a lot more active starting tmr. I've just been overworked and today marks the twelfth shift I've worked in a row.

I will finally get a few days off tmr and will resume a normal schedule and be a whole lot more active

Ok you get a pass for now.

worcej naked voted with no other posts

##vote Dousing

I am at work and I explained my vote.

Dousing justifying his vote saying Eden got better later in the game when he just played once with Eden and Eden was scum just look scum parking a vote and his answer doesn't make it better and seems more people agree with me.

Dousing is clearly an afk townie who is going to miss EOD and town doesn't gain anything at all by flipping Dousing here.

Nothing to be gained. At all.

It's a mistake to not have wagons at least be between Bozo and Eden.

Damo, worcej, and rdr still on Dousing. Incredible.

Bozo is self pres so I don't mind it.

Le sigh. ##VOTE DOUSING just to see what happens with the tie.

This vote is terrible and you know it.

It seems to me that when mafia go to set up the next series of miskills, and youre sitting in scumchat deciding who to kill...
you prioritize
who is a threat to us
who is a PR maybe
who poses an impediment to our goals (with regards to miskills)

and usually nightkill logic avoids things like
Hey lets kill this guy because they are hard defending one of our weaker team members

Using this logic, or even some of this logic, it should lead you to question what pyxyy was doing, and based on this, maybe they just really wanted dousing to die next

[brainbomb]

sorry that got formatted weirdly but the idea is that pyxxy dying makes dousing more likely to be town

[President Eden]

ghug knew what was happening with my role the whole time, he wouldn't have let his team mess up this bad mechanically.

Kak I've simply never seen with this consistent level of engagement with the game as scum. He wants this W

I think this works for me because I'm pretty risk averse but I think there are ways where I get overruled and some people are more risk tolerant in general so I'm not a fan of using this logic.

And I feel a bit offended Eden didn't apply the same logic to me, he thinks I will agree with that play.

I didn’t think to apply it beyond ghug, but yea it applies to you too. Which probably means you’re just clean here. I’ll think on it

[damo666]

Talk us through your thoughts here, Damo.

Townreading the unmentioned. Dousing and Haze seem the most 'flappy'. Nothing more specific.

Pretty confident in my townreads.

"Flappy" meaning they tend to change their opinion frequently, as in someone "flip-flopping", or do you mean something else?

without substance, not confident

perhaps wishy-washy would've been better

[brainbomb]

I was going to go off and type a bunch more about dousing but I thill ill just reread what all was said at start of day instead.

[damo666]

sorry that got formatted weirdly but the idea is that pyxxy dying makes dousing more likely to be town

pyxxy couldn't have known anything so I don't see why

[Jamiet99uk]

Can you provide me with what bozo's theory was about fox? I was not able to find that

You literally quoted it in your post on the last page.....

[brainbomb]

It makes it easier to kill someone when their biggest defender is dead.

Do you agree with that logic?

[brainbomb]

This seemed to me like something someone would be more likely to say to a mafia teammate. Was this a serious attempt to dissuade Kakarroto from continuing making the kind of posts you were objecting to?

I apologize Jamie, I did not see this. also my above post was a reply to damo, not you.

I have not given any thought to what bozo is saying here, I dont fully understand what it is he is saying to fox, but if the implication is that kak is scum with fox Im leaning towards not believing that to be the case currently.

[rdrivera2005]

Also people keep scumreading dousing and I should probably point out that pyxxy was very against the dousing wagon, and called out fox directly for being on it.

damo and worcej being on Dousing is confounding

ghug explained, bozo explained, rdr asleep/at work

damo like just gave Dousing a pass :|

Ok you get a pass for now.

worcej naked voted with no other posts

##vote Dousing

Dousing is clearly an afk townie who is going to miss EOD and town doesn't gain anything at all by flipping Dousing here.

Nothing to be gained. At all.

It's a mistake to not have wagons at least be between Bozo and Eden.

Damo, worcej, and rdr still on Dousing. Incredible.

Bozo is self pres so I don't mind it.

This vote is terrible and you know it.

It seems to me that when mafia go to set up the next series of miskills, and youre sitting in scumchat deciding who to kill...
you prioritize
who is a threat to us
who is a PR maybe
who poses an impediment to our goals (with regards to miskills)

and usually nightkill logic avoids things like
Hey lets kill this guy because they are hard defending one of our weaker team members

Using this logic, or even some of this logic, it should lead you to question what pyxyy was doing, and based on this, maybe they just really wanted dousing to die next

Pyxxy being town doesn't make his read on Dousing better or worst. It was pretty obvious he was town as no scum will made that kind of white knighting he did.

Fox voted Dousing to make it a tie, but he moved out in a weird way (trying to get a Kak wagon going) and ended on Bozo. I won't clear Dousing over this.

I know I could be tunneling a bit, but I don't see any town spark from him like we saw last game.

[brainbomb]

Ehhhh, okay rereading now this whole dousing thing is a massive beaver trap. I need to back off of my assumptions for a second. There is way too much chatter and the obvious answer here is just that driver was used on dousing.

[Foxcastle]

I think Worcej &co made an error. I was thinking about how irritated I am that town will get basically no information from today, and then I realized that that's by design. Worcej immediately announced the "result" of his scan (why not hold the result and see what happens and announce it later after some data has been generated), BUT they also moved the deadline up 24 hours so that people would be less likely to pause, step back, and reassess. Dead townie, wasted day, and likely a forced PR claim to resolve Worcej.

##VOTE WORCEJ

[damo666]

It makes it easier to kill someone when their biggest defender is dead.

Do you agree with that logic?

Yes

[worcej]

Ehhhh, okay rereading now this whole dousing thing is a massive beaver trap. I need to back off of my assumptions for a second. There is way too much chatter and the obvious answer here is just that driver was used on dousing.

Why is it obvious that dousing was driven?

[brainbomb]

ghug doesnt even flinch at dousing staunchest defender dying.


which presents a scenario ghug-exclusive

like if ghug is scum here, and dousing is scum here, then ghug can look great if dousing has been driver-ed, so as to make it seem like hes town in a cop scan. So ghug would be disinclined to acknowledge pyxxy dying maybe changes anything.

if dousing is scum and is not the subject of a driver effort, and ghug also is scum, once again ghug would gain more by not even acknowledging pyxxys stances there, and can just bus freely.

if dousing is town, and ghug is town, then ghug is just ignoring the nk because nk's are wifom, and ghug knows what he knows and doesnt care what it looks like.

if dousing is scum and ghug is town, ghug doesnt give a shit who died last night and isnt gonna adjust a scumread based on wifom.

[worcej]

I think Worcej &co made an error. I was thinking about how irritated I am that town will get basically no information from today, and then I realized that that's by design. Worcej immediately announced the "result" of his scan (why not hold the result and see what happens and announce it later after some data has been generated), BUT they also moved the deadline up 24 hours so that people would be less likely to pause, step back, and reassess. Dead townie, wasted day, and likely a forced PR claim to resolve Worcej.

##VOTE WORCEJ

I really love the effort to salvage something from your loss Fox. I really commend it.

Now die you Royalist pig!