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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#101 Post by sweetandcool » Mon May 15, 2023 4:27 am

Question: If the delayer's target attempts an action, and then gets killed during the subsequent day, does their delayed action get cancelled?
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#102 Post by Chaqa » Mon May 15, 2023 4:32 am

sweetandcool wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 4:27 am
Question: If the delayer's target attempts an action, and then gets killed during the subsequent day, does their delayed action get cancelled?
Hah! Interesting one. I'm open to discussion on how we feel it should behave.

Personally, I think it'd be spooky and neat if it could still happen. Their ghost, maybe.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#103 Post by sweetandcool » Mon May 15, 2023 4:45 am

Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 4:32 am
sweetandcool wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 4:27 am
Question: If the delayer's target attempts an action, and then gets killed during the subsequent day, does their delayed action get cancelled?
Hah! Interesting one. I'm open to discussion on how we feel it should behave.

Personally, I think it'd be spooky and neat if it could still happen. Their ghost, maybe.
Logically it should be cancelled. But I agree it could be fun to allow. Like a pirate's curse of some sort.

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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#104 Post by Kakarroto » Mon May 15, 2023 5:06 am

I'd be all for the spooky ghost doing the action.

Also, the text for the Vote Doubler seems to be partially copied and pasted from the Vote Remover, the first part says that the vote is removed and doesn't count. You might want to proofread it.



But that leads me to another question: if someone is targeted by both the Doubler and the Remover, does the target have no vote (mathematical rule, multiply by zero) or does it just negate each other (+1 -1)?

(I'm pretty sure the 'negate each other' is correct, but it doesn't hurt to ask beforehand to be sure.)
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#105 Post by Chaqa » Mon May 15, 2023 7:22 am

Kakarroto wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 5:06 am
I'd be all for the spooky ghost doing the action.

Also, the text for the Vote Doubler seems to be partially copied and pasted from the Vote Remover, the first part says that the vote is removed and doesn't count. You might want to proofread it.



But that leads me to another question: if someone is targeted by both the Doubler and the Remover, does the target have no vote (mathematical rule, multiply by zero) or does it just negate each other (+1 -1)?

(I'm pretty sure the 'negate each other' is correct, but it doesn't hurt to ask beforehand to be sure.)
I think based on the wording it would always count as zero but I’m open to them canceling out as a balance mechanism. If no one has major objections I’ll codify that and the Spooky Delayer rule before game start
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#106 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon May 15, 2023 9:34 am

##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#107 Post by damo666 » Mon May 15, 2023 10:16 am

What happens if a delayed suicide bomber is day killed on the day of delay?
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#108 Post by damo666 » Mon May 15, 2023 10:18 am

damo666 wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 10:16 am
What happens if a delayed suicide bomber is day killed on the day of delay?
Or the delay target is daykilled in general.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#109 Post by Kakarroto » Mon May 15, 2023 12:15 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 7:22 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 5:06 am
I'd be all for the spooky ghost doing the action.

Also, the text for the Vote Doubler seems to be partially copied and pasted from the Vote Remover, the first part says that the vote is removed and doesn't count. You might want to proofread it.



But that leads me to another question: if someone is targeted by both the Doubler and the Remover, does the target have no vote (mathematical rule, multiply by zero) or does it just negate each other (+1 -1)?

(I'm pretty sure the 'negate each other' is correct, but it doesn't hurt to ask beforehand to be sure.)
I think based on the wording it would always count as zero but I’m open to them canceling out as a balance mechanism. If no one has major objections I’ll codify that and the Spooky Delayer rule before game start
personally I would slightly prefer it to cancel out, but it is your game set up so if you think it should fully cancel, I'm not against it, just want to know it before hand. It IS mathematically correct if you multiply something by zero that it is still zero. So yeah, I fully support your choice there.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#110 Post by Kakarroto » Mon May 15, 2023 12:17 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 10:16 am
What happens if a delayed suicide bomber is day killed on the day of delay?
the spooky ghost kills someone and their essence is destroyed and thus removed from the discord server for M80 forever?

Just a guess, though.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#111 Post by Chaqa » Mon May 15, 2023 12:36 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 9:34 am
##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.
If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#112 Post by Chaqa » Mon May 15, 2023 12:42 pm

So, here's where I'm at on the current discussions:
1. Vote Doubler and Vote Remover targeting the same one, I think I will have them cancel out instead of causing it to always be 0. It feels more fair.

2. The Delayer delaying someone's action, and that player dying on the subsequent day, or being jailed/roleblocked on the subsequent night, will not stop the delayed person's action from taking place. There's only a few actions this will get weird with, so we're going to chalk it up to Pirate Ghosts.

I'll leave this open to discussion until an hour or so before game start when I do role PMs. It will be finalized/clarified then.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#113 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon May 15, 2023 1:04 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 12:36 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 9:34 am
##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.
If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol
These are weird and somewhat counter-intuitive mechanics.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#114 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon May 15, 2023 1:06 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 12:42 pm
So, here's where I'm at on the current discussions:
1. Vote Doubler and Vote Remover targeting the same one, I think I will have them cancel out instead of causing it to always be 0. It feels more fair.

2. The Delayer delaying someone's action, and that player dying on the subsequent day, or being jailed/roleblocked on the subsequent night, will not stop the delayed person's action from taking place. There's only a few actions this will get weird with, so we're going to chalk it up to Pirate Ghosts.

I'll leave this open to discussion until an hour or so before game start when I do role PMs. It will be finalized/clarified then.
For 1, just tweak the wording so that one power adds +1 vote, and one subtracts 1 vote.
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#115 Post by Chaqa » Mon May 15, 2023 1:24 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 1:04 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 12:36 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 9:34 am
##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.
If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol
These are weird and somewhat counter-intuitive mechanics.
Perhaps it would clear things up to update it to delay receiving the RESULT for one day, instead?
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#116 Post by damo666 » Mon May 15, 2023 1:35 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 1:06 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 12:42 pm
So, here's where I'm at on the current discussions:
1. Vote Doubler and Vote Remover targeting the same one, I think I will have them cancel out instead of causing it to always be 0. It feels more fair.

2. The Delayer delaying someone's action, and that player dying on the subsequent day, or being jailed/roleblocked on the subsequent night, will not stop the delayed person's action from taking place. There's only a few actions this will get weird with, so we're going to chalk it up to Pirate Ghosts.

I'll leave this open to discussion until an hour or so before game start when I do role PMs. It will be finalized/clarified then.
For 1, just tweak the wording so that one power adds +1 vote, and one subtracts 1 vote.
Makes sense
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#117 Post by damo666 » Mon May 15, 2023 1:36 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 1:24 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 1:04 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 12:36 pm


If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol
These are weird and somewhat counter-intuitive mechanics.
Perhaps it would clear things up to update it to delay receiving the RESULT for one day, instead?
Yeah
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Re: M80 Sign-Ups

#118 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon May 15, 2023 1:59 pm

Spoopy pirate goats
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#119 Post by Foxcastle » Mon May 15, 2023 2:16 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 1:59 pm
Spoopy pirate goats
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#120 Post by Foxcastle » Mon May 15, 2023 2:19 pm

When the edit button reappeared, I assume some message was sent—maybe by the Council, maybe to the Council—asking what changed and hopefully suggesting a reversion to the status quo for the games subforum, since it's important to Mafia games.

So does anyone know what's up with the edit button, and can it be made to go away again?
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