MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[sweetandcool]

I don't understand your reasoning here, sorry. I think you are either misunderstanding Bona or purposely misunderstanding him as he claims.

Let me try again...

The entire discussion is about a post of mine that Snowy says proves I'm Mafia – because I say "when" Bona flips Mafia. Implying that only a Mafia know for sure that it's "when" and not "if".

I said this is ridiculous.

Bona then said that actually Snowy is right and I'm mis-representing Snowy.

But if Snowy is right, and I did claim Mafia, that makes Bona Mafia as well, by definition.

Bona already posted again in response, but his meaning seemed plain to me, and his explanation matches that. Snowy has been pretty bizarre the whole game and I agree that the whole "if vs when" argument is utter nonsense.

But your conclusion that Bona is agreeing with Snowy is out of the blue and preposterous.

If it makes you feel better, I'm starting to slightly entertain the idea that you are severely misguided, like Dousing, but I'm not nearly convinced yet.

Still haven't analyzed you as promised, I will when I can.

[sweetandcool]

sweetandcool i appreciate your +1

I think Bona vs Koala is going similarly to sweetandcool vs Dousing. The difference being that I think Dousing is innocent and Koala not. Why can't they understand us??? I'm having no problem understanding your meaning, so it's just so weird to me that Koala is having a hard time.

[sweetandcool]

Reading? Couldn't be me.

But yeah bruv, I think he's a bad hombre

Which one?

Eden

But why Eden? I'm begging you to elaborate.

[President Eden]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

[Chaqa]

Which one?

Eden

But why Eden? I'm begging you to elaborate.

That’s a fair question. If I have time I’ll try to address it more concretely.

For context eden is a pretty good friend of mine so I’m generally reading him off vibes, but there’s more to it than that.

[Chaqa]

We’re going hiking tomorrow, so I don’t know exactly what time I’ll be around. Hopefully a few hours before EOD but no guarantees.

[sweetandcool]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

Wade on in, the waters warm. I'd love to hear your thoughts on President Eden, Koala and Snowy. Happy to hear about others too.

[President Eden]

i am deeply amused that chaqa's voting heuristic suggests he is mafia

(heuristic: mafia tend to cast their initial votes later in phases than town. in fairness, chaqa did note that this is player specific, and i have no real data on chaqa's own behavior. but i think mafia has clear incentives to be later to vote in general, even if it is a player driven heuristic to some degree.)

he subverts it day 1 by voting ghug somewhat early although there was obviously no investment in it. the heuristic admittedly does not delve into subjective considerations like that, but i'm doing so here. deal with it

he doesn't cast a vote with any conviction until an hour left in d1, and then finds reasons to get away from it at eod as bozo pointed out

d2 he's fallen right into the heuristic and not voted at all

[President Eden]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

Wade on in, the waters warm. I'd love to hear your thoughts on President Eden, Koala and Snowy. Happy to hear about others too.

eden - based
koala - cheugy
snowy - cringe

[sweetandcool]

i am deeply amused that chaqa's voting heuristic suggests he is mafia

(heuristic: mafia tend to cast their initial votes later in phases than town. in fairness, chaqa did note that this is player specific, and i have no real data on chaqa's own behavior. but i think mafia has clear incentives to be later to vote in general, even if it is a player driven heuristic to some degree.)

he subverts it day 1 by voting ghug somewhat early although there was obviously no investment in it. the heuristic admittedly does not delve into subjective considerations like that, but i'm doing so here. deal with it

he doesn't cast a vote with any conviction until an hour left in d1, and then finds reasons to get away from it at eod as bozo pointed out

d2 he's fallen right into the heuristic and not voted at all

Thank you. I get what you are saying and agree with your premise. I'm letting the experienced players settle their feelings about chaqa because it's a little out of my depth.

[Bonatogether]

sweetandcool i appreciate your +1

I think Bona vs Koala is going similarly to sweetandcool vs Dousing. The difference being that I think Dousing is innocent and Koala not. Why can't they understand us??? I'm having no problem understanding your meaning, so it's just so weird to me that Koala is having a hard time.

vote koala and we can find out

[Bonatogether]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

wdym

[President Eden]

i feel a need to clarify that i have no real data on how early and often chaqa casts votes as either alignment

obviously i have plenty of data on how he plays generally lol. but i've never sat down and gone "gee, he tends to vote by X hours into a phase Y% of the time as town"

[sweetandcool]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

Wade on in, the waters warm. I'd love to hear your thoughts on President Eden, Koala and Snowy. Happy to hear about others too.

eden - based
koala - cheugy
snowy - cringe

Why am I not surprised by this response? Disappointing.

And what does cheugy mean? My best guess is along the lines of sludgy.

[President Eden]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

wdym

not to be a dick to y'all but a lot of dousing/s&c and you/koala is tedious to get through

i guess part of it is that i independently TR 3/4 of y'all and haven't made up my mind on koala yet

starting to appreciate why people glazed over when i used to get in arguments

[Bonatogether]

i am deeply amused that chaqa's voting heuristic suggests he is mafia

(heuristic: mafia tend to cast their initial votes later in phases than town. in fairness, chaqa did note that this is player specific, and i have no real data on chaqa's own behavior. but i think mafia has clear incentives to be later to vote in general, even if it is a player driven heuristic to some degree.)

he subverts it day 1 by voting ghug somewhat early although there was obviously no investment in it. the heuristic admittedly does not delve into subjective considerations like that, but i'm doing so here. deal with it

he doesn't cast a vote with any conviction until an hour left in d1, and then finds reasons to get away from it at eod as bozo pointed out

d2 he's fallen right into the heuristic and not voted at all

Thank you. I get what you are saying and agree with your premise. I'm letting the experienced players settle their feelings about chaqa because it's a little out of my depth.

you should never have a filter in mafia because a primary goal is to towntell to others

[sweetandcool]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

wdym

not to be a dick to y'all but a lot of dousing/s&c and you/koala is tedious to get through

i guess part of it is that i independently TR 3/4 of y'all and haven't made up my mind on koala yet

starting to appreciate why people glazed over when i used to get in arguments

That's fine. Mostly I've been hoping to enlighten Dousing. Probably spending too much time replying to Koala. Do they normally nitpick and come up with dramatic arguments? It just seems like they are constantly misunderstanding Bona in a really weird way.

[KoalaAttack]

wdym

not to be a dick to y'all but a lot of dousing/s&c and you/koala is tedious to get through

i guess part of it is that i independently TR 3/4 of y'all and haven't made up my mind on koala yet

starting to appreciate why people glazed over when i used to get in arguments

That's fine. Mostly I've been hoping to enlighten Dousing. Probably spending too much time replying to Koala. Do they normally nitpick and come up with dramatic arguments? It just seems like they are constantly misunderstanding Bona in a really weird way.

But why do you care so much? Believe me, Bona can fend for themselves just fine in my experience...

Why all this effort to protect Bona? Should be just 1 of many "other townie" players on here...

Unless, of course, Bona is your Mafia teammate or if you are a Mafia trying to pocket a Townie-Bona, then I can see why so much effort.

Bona, question – what do you make of this dynamic you have going on with sweetandcool for the record?

[KoalaAttack]

if you had any critical thinking skills it'd be clearly evident this is the part i was referring to

OK – let me ask you directly in front of everyone then:

Hi Bona, what is your opinion on the fact that Snowy used my post that said "When Bona flips Mafia I'll say BOOM" to hardlock me as Mafia?

[sweetandcool]

is this what it's like to be on the sidelines of epic wallpost arguments?

because i am so sorry fellas

wdym

not to be a dick to y'all but a lot of dousing/s&c and you/koala is tedious to get through

i guess part of it is that i independently TR 3/4 of y'all and haven't made up my mind on koala yet

starting to appreciate why people glazed over when i used to get in arguments

Also, I really don't feel like doing what Koala wants and restating my position on them. It just seems like a big waste of time. But I feel like not doing so will discredit me.

Do you think I ought to do as Koala requests? Or will it reflect poorly on me if I don't? I think it's fair to Koala to at least have another look to make sure I'm being objective, but is a detailed post really necessary? Especially since I've already been detailed in the past?