M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[Bonatogether]

Well I thought we maybe get something. A hint, some revelation about the enemy, maybe a number or two, with that I feel lost now, but I guess that's what a closed setup is supposed to do.

What do you think about my ideas about the 3rd party? We might not have only one threat but two?

there's a 3rd party? i didn't read the setup

there is no official information about the setup, I thought because of the flavour there might be a 3rd party, but Jamies and Flums input makes very much sense, so for now, we shouldn't be too concerned about that, because it is just baseless speculation.

ty kak

[Bonatogether]

That reminds me though, where is the rest? Hm, I guess with the start time it's a bit slow for all participants to be here, it was just the daylights switch and there should be still school/work?

i'm in virginia currently

tomorrow i will be in south carolina

tell us when you are in Kansas or Texas

i am in north carolina currently
but i saw some texas plates

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh ok maybe I was wrong. Mia culpa

Could you please clarify why you thought Koala had a gun?

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh ok maybe I was wrong. Mia culpa

What makes you think you were wrong? Why did you consider it in the first place?

Idk, I was given some info on the setup as consolation for being VT but I don't know if it's worth outing it until I figure out just how much everyone including Mafia knows.

1. Given some info by whom?
2. How did this info imply that Koala had a gun?

If you are a VT (and you've claimed VT), you would only get the VT Role PM that was made available to everyone.

[Jamiet99uk]

Idk, I was given some info on the setup as consolation for being VT but I don't know if it's worth outing it until I figure out just how much everyone including Mafia knows.

What? That's kind of weird. You were given info as "consolation" for being VT? I wasn't given any info on account of my VT role message.

I am not sure town should be discussing role PMs or claiming VT at this point.

Flum already claimed VT.

Nobody forced him to.

[Jamiet99uk]

So clearly Flum is lying about something and/or trying to drag the GM into the game in a manner that's against the spirit of the game.

Super.

[ghug]

Alright, caught up.

As I said, I had some thoughts about what we might can derive from the information we have.

That is: the player number (and names). As worcej said, we are 12 players (though how many didn't post yet, do they know the game has started?). We don't know more.

Typically, mafia know each other at the start, right? But I was thinking and this doesn't have to be 100% true, at least for D1, maybe it's a setting where they only get to know each other at the start of N1. So maybe my thoughts here hurt town a bit by giving mafia ideas, but I think it's negligible, since it's still likely they start with this information.

So, 12 players, right? If we think there is no 3rd party, normal range should be from 2 to 4, probably 3. I don't like how worcej directly jumped on the number being 3, in his post about it, but then again, it looks the most likely, no? It would be 1/4th of the whole population so mathematically it makes sense.

However, there are some variations, since Mafia could have extremely strong roles and only be two, right? Or Mafia have no roles but the numbers and town have a load of PR's. Sure, this is all speculation, but Chaqa said before, he very much liked it and wanted to play it (and correct me if I'm wrong but Chaqa likes more role heavy settings, right?).

I know for D1 this doesn't make any difference, but I'd like to mention it here for the future, with the power of hindsight and more knowledge of roles from the flips. Depending on which information we get we should get a better picture of the setting and keep rethinking, not being stuck with only one view.

Therefore, I like thoughts about these situations, especially ghug and Jamie, but everyone is welcome to add theirs (and I would most appreciate that):

-) 2 mafia, both with powerful roles, 1/6th ratio
-) 3 mafia, probably mixed, 1/4th ratio
-) 4 mafia, powerless, 1/3rd ratio

depending on what town has available as roles, I personally think 2 or 4 mafia are still on the table (though the 1/3rd ratio make me take a step back). If we have only 2 mafia with powerful roles, I think a 3rd party is possible, maybe even likely. If we have 4 mafia, then town should have a load of power roles.

Well, anyway, don't speculate on what town PR's we might have or their exact count, try to focus on the mafia team with your thoughts you write in here.

Also, maybe the GM's should remember those who haven't posted that the game began. Remember, one of the rules is that non-participation is automatic mod-kill and people will not get replaced for that.

Flum, can you remind me why you think Kak is town?

[ghug]

Do you have any thoughts on what this closed setup might be? I have this peculiar sense that we've all recieved the vanilla townie PM and there are NO mafia present. No Nightkills. Just us routinely executing VTs all game long. Brain and Darg laughing wildly while the rest of us fume.

I have no major thoughts on what the setup might be, no.

The amount of information available to me is limited to my own role.

Townslip?

No?

[ghug]

I guess I am still in joke phase mode and didn’t think anything from it personally.

Might be the wrong vibe - but I think HB wants to try and demonstrate he is actively playing? Remembering prior games, he is usually near the bottom on post counts.

I disagree with both of these takes?

So you also find HB suspicious?

No, yours and Jamie's.

[Fluminator]

Oh ok maybe I was wrong. Mia culpa

Could you please clarify why you thought Koala had a gun?

How much I want to reveal depends on if he actually has one lol.

What makes you think you were wrong? Why did you consider it in the first place?

Idk, I was given some info on the setup as consolation for being VT but I don't know if it's worth outing it until I figure out just how much everyone including Mafia knows.

1. Given some info by whom?
2. How did this info imply that Koala had a gun?

If you are a VT (and you've claimed VT), you would only get the VT Role PM that was made available to everyone.

I assumed everyone would have gotten a variant of the message and that was the gimmick of this being a closed setup but I was obviously quite wrong since everyone would have to be dumbtelling right now. You've made it clear that's not the case so I'll drop it for now.

So clearly Flum is lying about something and/or trying to drag the GM into the game in a manner that's against the spirit of the game.

Super.

? What are you talking about regarding the GM?
I'm content with you just thinking the first part and we move on though.

[ghug]

I also feel ghug is much more silent than in games before. I would love to hear more from him. So here some questions for ghug:

-) What do you think of bozo and boats absence? Do you think the GM's should ask about them?

-) On a scale from 1 to 10, how serious is your Jamie vote?

-) If you had a gun with a bullet for only D1, who would you shoot (or consider to shoot)?

1. Not super concerned, but I do think it's probably worth nudging in this case because of the changes in game start time (I know I had it in my head that we were starting tomorrow).
2. 2.
3. Jamie because it would be funny, or you because I'm finding your posting unhelpful and thread-crowding.

[ghug]

Mild scumleans:

KoalaAttack
Hamilton Brian
Worcej


Mild townleans:

Ghug
Karrokoto
Chaqa

Is this a scumslip

[ghug]

Idk, I was given some info on the setup as consolation for being VT but I don't know if it's worth outing it until I figure out just how much everyone including Mafia knows.

What? That's kind of weird. You were given info as "consolation" for being VT? I wasn't given any info on account of my VT role message.

I am not sure town should be discussing role PMs or claiming VT at this point.

Do we think Hamilton would do this as not town, though?

[Fluminator]

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Flum, can you remind me why you think Kak is town?

He said he has a gun in his first post.

(There's no way mafia missed that so idgaf if people say I'm outing PRs)

[ghug]

So clearly Flum is lying about something and/or trying to drag the GM into the game in a manner that's against the spirit of the game.

Super.

I think there's a little more leeway to bullshit about GM communications in a closed setup as long as you're not quoting them directly or asking them to confirm.

[ghug]

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Flum, can you remind me why you think Kak is town?

He said he has a gun in his first post.

(There's no way mafia missed that so idgaf if people say I'm outing PRs)

Oh that's weak.

[Fluminator]

Flum, can you remind me why you think Kak is town?

He said he has a gun in his first post.

(There's no way mafia missed that so idgaf if people say I'm outing PRs)

Oh that's weak.

If he actually does have one, and he's mafia, I don't think he'd ever say he has one lol.

[Bonatogether]

i like kak

but he would effortpost a song as any alignment

bona knows me

[Fluminator]

You seem bored this game ghug.
Getting tired of always being scum?

[rdrivera2005]

What? That's kind of weird. You were given info as "consolation" for being VT? I wasn't given any info on account of my VT role message.

I am not sure town should be discussing role PMs or claiming VT at this point.

Do we think Hamilton would do this as not town, though?

No, I think he is probably VT but it isn't great for town either unless it's a pure vanilla game, which is unlikely.