M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1821 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:09 pm

Bozo; Hamilton; Rdrivera
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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1822 Post by Hamilton Brian » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:23 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:09 pm
Bozo; Hamilton; Rdrivera
Not the instructions. Duly noted.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1823 Post by Hamilton Brian » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:32 pm

Bozo:
Flum:
Hamilton B: jamie, koala, worcej
Jamie: bozo, hamilton, *
Koala:
Rivera:
Worcej:

C'mon folks.

And a ##Vote worcej as a placement

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1824 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:39 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:23 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:09 pm
Bozo; Hamilton; Rdrivera
Not the instructions. Duly noted.
What?

I am on my phone. I thought you wanted 3 targets that weren't all on the same wagon?
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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1825 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:44 pm

Hamilton I think you are saying I'm not allowed to suspect Rdrivera?

If that's your point, I reject your instructions.
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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1826 Post by Hamilton Brian » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:52 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
Fuck it.

I see a pattern developing, and I hope others pick up on it too. We know for a fact that there are two mafia remaining; at least I think we know it. Based on plums role suggestion it makes sense. There’s two left. By looking at Yesterdays pre-Rivera claim, There were either zero or one mafia on the bozo wagon. Using that metric, there are either one or two on the Rivero wagon.

I advocate that we expand the read to three names. I think my reasoning is obvious. It puts Flum under a bit more pressure to go with their gut, but I think this is better.

Choose three names. Either myself or Jamie from the bozo wagon. Choose two names from the Rivera wagon, excluding Flum (worcej,. bozo, koala)

I know I am town so killing me would be a very easy Miss kill. I know I’m not heavily town read, and my actions on the last day have really brought me to this position, and unfortunately have brought town to this position.

@Flum, sorry, you don’t deserve this kind of pressure, but I believe you will make the best decision. You're going to read a lot of static, noise, counters from other people, so probably it's a good think that you're in your meeting today. Just go with your gut. I trust you!

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On my phone too. This isn’t about suspecting rivera. This is noting a pair of mafia on the two wagons yesterday. I think we have to take the rivera claim as genuine.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1827 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:53 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:52 pm
Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
Fuck it.

I see a pattern developing, and I hope others pick up on it too. We know for a fact that there are two mafia remaining; at least I think we know it. Based on plums role suggestion it makes sense. There’s two left. By looking at Yesterdays pre-Rivera claim, There were either zero or one mafia on the bozo wagon. Using that metric, there are either one or two on the Rivero wagon.

I advocate that we expand the read to three names. I think my reasoning is obvious. It puts Flum under a bit more pressure to go with their gut, but I think this is better.

Choose three names. Either myself or Jamie from the bozo wagon. Choose two names from the Rivera wagon, excluding Flum (worcej,. bozo, koala)

I know I am town so killing me would be a very easy Miss kill. I know I’m not heavily town read, and my actions on the last day have really brought me to this position, and unfortunately have brought town to this position.

@Flum, sorry, you don’t deserve this kind of pressure, but I believe you will make the best decision. You're going to read a lot of static, noise, counters from other people, so probably it's a good think that you're in your meeting today. Just go with your gut. I trust you!

Sent from my iPhone
On my phone too. This isn’t about suspecting rivera. This is noting a pair of mafia on the two wagons yesterday. I think we have to take the rivera claim as genuine.
OK then.

With some reluctance:

Bozo, Hamilton, Koala.

But I consider Koala a null.
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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1828 Post by Fluminator » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:59 pm

Brian, you no longer think bozo is scum?

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1829 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:00 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
Fuck it.

I see a pattern developing, and I hope others pick up on it too. We know for a fact that there are two mafia remaining; at least I think we know it. Based on plums role suggestion it makes sense. There’s two left. By looking at Yesterdays pre-Rivera claim, There were either zero or one mafia on the bozo wagon. Using that metric, there are either one or two on the Rivero wagon.

I advocate that we expand the read to three names. I think my reasoning is obvious. It puts Flum under a bit more pressure to go with their gut, but I think this is better.

Choose three names. Either myself or Jamie from the bozo wagon. Choose two names from the Rivera wagon, excluding Flum (worcej,. bozo, koala)

I know I am town so killing me would be a very easy Miss kill. I know I’m not heavily town read, and my actions on the last day have really brought me to this position, and unfortunately have brought town to this position.

@Flum, sorry, you don’t deserve this kind of pressure, but I believe you will make the best decision. You're going to read a lot of static, noise, counters from other people, so probably it's a good think that you're in your meeting today. Just go with your gut. I trust you!

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I am not sure what you are asking for in the 3, if it is our top 3 scum suspects, I would not exclude rdrivera only because he had not placed a D3 vote.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1830 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:01 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:52 pm
Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
Fuck it.

I see a pattern developing, and I hope others pick up on it too. We know for a fact that there are two mafia remaining; at least I think we know it. Based on plums role suggestion it makes sense. There’s two left. By looking at Yesterdays pre-Rivera claim, There were either zero or one mafia on the bozo wagon. Using that metric, there are either one or two on the Rivero wagon.

I advocate that we expand the read to three names. I think my reasoning is obvious. It puts Flum under a bit more pressure to go with their gut, but I think this is better.

Choose three names. Either myself or Jamie from the bozo wagon. Choose two names from the Rivera wagon, excluding Flum (worcej,. bozo, koala)

I know I am town so killing me would be a very easy Miss kill. I know I’m not heavily town read, and my actions on the last day have really brought me to this position, and unfortunately have brought town to this position.

@Flum, sorry, you don’t deserve this kind of pressure, but I believe you will make the best decision. You're going to read a lot of static, noise, counters from other people, so probably it's a good think that you're in your meeting today. Just go with your gut. I trust you!

Sent from my iPhone
On my phone too. This isn’t about suspecting rivera. This is noting a pair of mafia on the two wagons yesterday. I think we have to take the rivera claim as genuine.
I do not give rdrivera's claim much weight considering he would have been DKed if he did not claim to be a PR.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1831 Post by Hamilton Brian » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:06 pm

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:59 pm
Brian, you no longer think bozo is scum?
It’s a null for me.

Out right now so it’ll be dodgy.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1832 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:13 pm

We are likely never going to be able to resolve rdrivera's claim, so he should not be out of consideration for the DK or vig shot. I don't see any reason why 2 PRs is more likely than 1, so we should not disregard the reasons rdrivera was under pressure in the first place.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1833 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:16 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:06 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:59 pm
Brian, you no longer think bozo is scum?
It’s a null for me.

Out right now so it’ll be dodgy.
What will be dodgy...?
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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1834 Post by worcej » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:32 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:13 pm
We are likely never going to be able to resolve rdrivera's claim, so he should not be out of consideration for the DK or vig shot. I don't see any reason why 2 PRs is more likely than 1, so we should not disregard the reasons rdrivera was under pressure in the first place.
This is the most towny thing I have heard from bozo

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1835 Post by KoalaAttack » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:34 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:33 pm
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In regards to setup size and PR structure, it’s complicated. The easiest thing as games grow in size is to add VT and Goons to keep a close 3:1 ratio of town:scum. Adding PRs takes a review of the powers in play and what would happen in best and worst case scenarios and how likely they were to occur
Thanks for that. So when you submit a game for review, you don't submit conditional scenarios based on player numbers upfront – and instead re-review as the game grows?

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1836 Post by worcej » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:35 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:53 pm
Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:52 pm
Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
Fuck it.

I see a pattern developing, and I hope others pick up on it too. We know for a fact that there are two mafia remaining; at least I think we know it. Based on plums role suggestion it makes sense. There’s two left. By looking at Yesterdays pre-Rivera claim, There were either zero or one mafia on the bozo wagon. Using that metric, there are either one or two on the Rivero wagon.

I advocate that we expand the read to three names. I think my reasoning is obvious. It puts Flum under a bit more pressure to go with their gut, but I think this is better.

Choose three names. Either myself or Jamie from the bozo wagon. Choose two names from the Rivera wagon, excluding Flum (worcej,. bozo, koala)

I know I am town so killing me would be a very easy Miss kill. I know I’m not heavily town read, and my actions on the last day have really brought me to this position, and unfortunately have brought town to this position.

@Flum, sorry, you don’t deserve this kind of pressure, but I believe you will make the best decision. You're going to read a lot of static, noise, counters from other people, so probably it's a good think that you're in your meeting today. Just go with your gut. I trust you!

Sent from my iPhone
On my phone too. This isn’t about suspecting rivera. This is noting a pair of mafia on the two wagons yesterday. I think we have to take the rivera claim as genuine.
OK then.

With some reluctance:

Bozo, Hamilton, Koala.

But I consider Koala a null.
Problem with going to 3 is duplicate lists. Mine is the same as Jamie’s here

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1837 Post by worcej » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:40 pm

KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:34 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:33 pm
=
In regards to setup size and PR structure, it’s complicated. The easiest thing as games grow in size is to add VT and Goons to keep a close 3:1 ratio of town:scum. Adding PRs takes a review of the powers in play and what would happen in best and worst case scenarios and how likely they were to occur
Thanks for that. So when you submit a game for review, you don't submit conditional scenarios based on player numbers upfront – and instead re-review as the game grows?
I submit mine with contingencies such as last game where if it got to 14+ players, add this role etc

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1838 Post by KoalaAttack » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:42 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
Fuck it.

I see a pattern developing, and I hope others pick up on it too. We know for a fact that there are two mafia remaining; at least I think we know it. Based on plums role suggestion it makes sense. There’s two left. By looking at Yesterdays pre-Rivera claim, There were either zero or one mafia on the bozo wagon. Using that metric, there are either one or two on the Rivero wagon.

I advocate that we expand the read to three names. I think my reasoning is obvious. It puts Flum under a bit more pressure to go with their gut, but I think this is better.

Choose three names. Either myself or Jamie from the bozo wagon. Choose two names from the Rivera wagon, excluding Flum (worcej,. bozo, koala)

I know I am town so killing me would be a very easy Miss kill. I know I’m not heavily town read, and my actions on the last day have really brought me to this position, and unfortunately have brought town to this position.

@Flum, sorry, you don’t deserve this kind of pressure, but I believe you will make the best decision. You're going to read a lot of static, noise, counters from other people, so probably it's a good think that you're in your meeting today. Just go with your gut. I trust you!

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Since HB said they like to share their stream of thoughts thinking with the group, I'll do the same. Here is how this post translates in my mind:

HB: Hi everyone, I have an awesome plan
HB: everyone list 2 names and yada yada
...
HB watches the votes roll in
HB does not like what they are seeing
...
HB: Scratch that everyone, new awesome plan
HB: everyone list 3 names and yada yada

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1839 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:48 pm

KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:42 pm
Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
Fuck it.

I see a pattern developing, and I hope others pick up on it too. We know for a fact that there are two mafia remaining; at least I think we know it. Based on plums role suggestion it makes sense. There’s two left. By looking at Yesterdays pre-Rivera claim, There were either zero or one mafia on the bozo wagon. Using that metric, there are either one or two on the Rivero wagon.

I advocate that we expand the read to three names. I think my reasoning is obvious. It puts Flum under a bit more pressure to go with their gut, but I think this is better.

Choose three names. Either myself or Jamie from the bozo wagon. Choose two names from the Rivera wagon, excluding Flum (worcej,. bozo, koala)

I know I am town so killing me would be a very easy Miss kill. I know I’m not heavily town read, and my actions on the last day have really brought me to this position, and unfortunately have brought town to this position.

@Flum, sorry, you don’t deserve this kind of pressure, but I believe you will make the best decision. You're going to read a lot of static, noise, counters from other people, so probably it's a good think that you're in your meeting today. Just go with your gut. I trust you!

Sent from my iPhone
Since HB said they like to share their stream of thoughts thinking with the group, I'll do the same. Here is how this post translates in my mind:

HB: Hi everyone, I have an awesome plan
HB: everyone list 2 names and yada yada
...
HB watches the votes roll in
HB does not like what they are seeing
...
HB: Scratch that everyone, new awesome plan
HB: everyone list 3 names and yada yada
It do look a bit that way.
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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1840 Post by KoalaAttack » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:49 pm

Fluminator: unfortunately I am working and do not have time to do a proper reset re-read of Bozo & worcej before EOD... So, if you forced me to choose, I'd say Bozo over worcej


HB: Suspicious and confusing. I strongly dislike making a list of 3 because this assumes my list is not going to change based on the result of a kill.

If Flum is shooting, would it not make sense to time the shot with enough time for folks to potentially reconsider their lists based on results of the shot before EOD happens?

For example, I would say my top 3 suspects are Bozo, worcej and HB assuming I believe rdrivera claim for the time being. But let's say Bozo or worcej get shot and flip Town – well, I'd be very inclined to revisit believing the rdrivera claim in a much more critical light.

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