M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1741 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:24 am

KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:56 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:49 am
KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:40 am
There is pretty much no chance Fluminator is lying, right? The setup would make no sense balance-wise.

Bozo is a high-info flip. If Jamiet vs Bozo was theater they deserve lots credit for it – so I reckon that's an unpairing. Sheds some interesting light on HB whom I still suspect at Misdirecting too.

I am OK with worcej too, I only have 1 game of reference of him as a player but seems a tad different from last time. Not sure how much of it is travel or what to make of it.

Finally, can someone experienced please comment on my thoughts about this game being originally planned as a Mini and growing from there. Can we infer something about the setup / roles from there? I can see the world where the Mini would have the cool Conditional Vig role vs 2 Mafias and that's it... and then as it grew the Doctor and 3rd Mafia got added or something like that.

But I have never played a Mini or a Closed setup before so who knows.
I can't see the mafia having a gun. Maybe if there were 2 mafia and they could only shoot themselves, but even that would be a big advantage for mafia in a closed setup.
Uhhh...
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:49 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:43 pm


I know for a fact there's 3.
My condition was I had to have the number of mafia players alive in the game vote me. I got my power at 3 votes.
(Thank you to Jamiet and Bozo for troll voting me)
The mafia might have a power that allows them to win with the next mis-kill. They could have a shot they are saving.
Past Bozo from 2 pages ago strongly disagrees with Present Bozo? Quite Suspicious!
In the one case, both mafia and town would have a gun, in the second, only mafia would. Also, Fluminator pointed out how unbalanced the first case would be.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1742 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:28 am

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:24 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:21 am
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:04 am


If I shoot today, and it's wrong, we have no more miskills.
It is still probably the best option, it gives us 2 chances to eliminate a mafia while there are still 5 town.
But we lose the info of the nightkill in between.
I am not sure that is going to provide much help. The mafia could target someone beside you even if rdrivera is town, and if rdrivera is mafia they could no-kill and have rdrivera claim he saved you.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1743 Post by Fluminator » Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:35 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:28 am
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:24 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:21 am


It is still probably the best option, it gives us 2 chances to eliminate a mafia while there are still 5 town.
But we lose the info of the nightkill in between.
I am not sure that is going to provide much help. The mafia could target someone beside you even if rdrivera is town, and if rdrivera is mafia they could no-kill and have rdrivera claim he saved you.
Yes, I wouldn't rule rdr as confirmed town if someone else dies. I'd simply reanalyze with the new info.
But it does bring a confirmed townie deeper into the game which means better odds as a potential suspect gets killed.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1744 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:36 am

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:51 am
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:27 am
I'd lean towards letting you live today on the condition you "docsave" me tonight.

Who do you think is mafia? Who should we vote?
How sure you are about Bozo being town? I think he was really eager to get me misskilled.

Other possibilities are Worcej and Koala. Worcej is having a low impact game, which could be scum. And Koala is Koala.
Why do you think I wanted to DK you more than everyone else who voted for you? I prefer to DK worcej today, but I think your claim under pressure makes you more likely to be mafia, not less.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1745 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:40 am

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:35 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:28 am
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:24 am


But we lose the info of the nightkill in between.
I am not sure that is going to provide much help. The mafia could target someone beside you even if rdrivera is town, and if rdrivera is mafia they could no-kill and have rdrivera claim he saved you.
Yes, I wouldn't rule rdr as confirmed town if someone else dies. I'd simply reanalyze with the new info.
But it does bring a confirmed townie deeper into the game which means better odds as a potential suspect gets killed.
There are good reasons to not shoot, but realistically a town controlled shot is probably better than a vote at 3-2 D4.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1746 Post by Fluminator » Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:43 am

I'll consider shooting today

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1747 Post by Fluminator » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:16 am

Rdr, can you vote worcej and keep it there? Can you just vote who I want today in return of me not shooting you?
That would put 3 votes on worcej and only need one more to kill him eod.

To Brian/Jamiet/Koala
I won't be super active tomorrow but I want an interesting gamestate going into it. I do have a townread on bozo but I admit I could be being buddied right now - no one is perfect.

So if all 3 of you decide bozo is sus I'll cede to that decision, but if one of you thinks worcej is more suspicious than bozo we take out worcej instead. (ideally you guys continue to question them both throughout the day. I wish I could be around more tomorrow)

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1748 Post by KoalaAttack » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:30 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:24 am
KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:56 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:49 am
I can't see the mafia having a gun. Maybe if there were 2 mafia and they could only shoot themselves, but even that would be a big advantage for mafia in a closed setup.
Uhhh...
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:49 pm
The mafia might have a power that allows them to win with the next mis-kill. They could have a shot they are saving.
Past Bozo from 2 pages ago strongly disagrees with Present Bozo? Quite Suspicious!
In the one case, both mafia and town would have a gun, in the second, only mafia would. Also, Fluminator pointed out how unbalanced the first case would be.
I don't understand what you are talking about in the first sentence – we have all known that Town has had a gun since D1 when Flum shot Kak, did we not? In all cases, because that's already happened as a proven fact. I am used to much clearer Bozo logic, still Suspicious.

Fair enough re second sentence and will take that into consideration.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1749 Post by KoalaAttack » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:35 am

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:35 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:28 am
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:24 am
But we lose the info of the nightkill in between.
I am not sure that is going to provide much help. The mafia could target someone beside you even if rdrivera is town, and if rdrivera is mafia they could no-kill and have rdrivera claim he saved you.
Yes, I wouldn't rule rdr as confirmed town if someone else dies. I'd simply reanalyze with the new info.
But it does bring a confirmed townie deeper into the game which means better odds as a potential suspect gets killed.
Hold on folks.

I thought that last game, when Brainbomb was saved by rdr he woke up to find himself covered in bloody bandages etc neat flavor text. Would it not be clear to the still-alive Flum whether or not Flum is covered in bandages?

##CALL GM for reals this time – could you please confirm what the Save Target sees if the Doctor saves someone in this game? Same as last game or any different?

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1750 Post by KoalaAttack » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:38 am

KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:35 am
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:35 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:28 am
Hold on folks.

I thought that last game, when Brainbomb was saved by rdr he woke up to find himself covered in bloody bandages etc neat flavor text. Would it not be clear to the still-alive Flum whether or not Flum is covered in bandages?

##CALL GM for reals this time – could you please confirm what the Save Target sees if the Doctor saves someone in this game? Same as last game or any different?
Never mind, I completely mis-read the above. I apologize, no need to answer.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1751 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:16 am

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:27 am
I'm the vig. I shot Kak.

When literally the first post of the game was Kak claiming to be a vig himself, I wrongly assumed everyone was a dayvig and that this would be a troll game which is why I was so weird at the start.
I assumed Koala got a gun once he got 3 votes since that was my condition, and when that turned out to not be the case I just trolled for a bit so everyone wrote that off as me just trolling.

When I realized not everyone was a vig I got super suspicious of Kak but didn't outright say it so if I eventually shot him I wouldn't be fingered as the vig.

I actually have one more shot, but I haven't used it yet as if I was wrong it would take away a town miskill.
Catching up and this is spicy.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1752 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:19 am

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:31 am
KoalaAttack wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:59 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:43 pm


I know for a fact there's 3.
My condition was I had to have the number of mafia players alive in the game vote me. I got my power at 3 votes.
(Thank you to Jamiet and Bozo for troll voting me)
Were you actually told that you got your power because you had 3 votes? Or just that your power became unlocked? Is there an element of delay between GMs processing it?
I don't know how much I am allowed to say regarding that since it's GM communication.

I am 100% positive it took 3 votes to activate my dayshot ability and that it was Kak, Jamiet, and Bozo's votes.
Can we clarify:

Does "the number of mafia players alive voting you" mean:

A: If there are 3 Mafia, those specific 3 people need to vote you to unlock your power?

B: Any 3 votes will do? (Because its the number 3 that matters?).

If you are telling the truth it must be Option B.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1753 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:19 am

KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:34 am
Interesting! Can you shoot during both Day and Night?

##CALL GM Dear customer service, I seem to be missing my gun, it said package was delivered but it's not there. Did they leave it on the porch unguarded? Can I have a replacement one now please?
Unless you got an actual PM mentioning a package, please do NOT troll the GM in this way, it is really bad form.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1754 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:22 am

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:03 am
KoalaAttack wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:42 am
Hamilton Brian wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:33 am
I should be absolved since I was one of the three final votes on Kak, missing out on when Flum shot them. I also never voted for Flum.
Flum, can you please clarify: were the rules that the same number of votes as there are Mafia on you trigger the power – or that Mafia players specifically had to vote on you?

I thought it was red not pink? Did I mis-understand?
The former
Aha right.

So the people who voted you, that doesn't provide any info on their alignment specifically.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1755 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:25 am

OK I'm caught up.

Fun times.

Good shooting Flum.

My top suspects are still Bozo and Rdr, after all that.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1756 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:36 am

My theory btw was that this might be a setup with a Doctor, a Backup Doctor, and a Vig, with scum having something like a Bulletproof of something like that.

Gambler's fallacy persuaded me that Flum was a PR but not the Vig because he had a gun last time.

Clearly this isn't the case.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1757 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:38 am

So just so we're so clear so:

bozotheclown: Claims VT
Fluminator: Claims vote-activated-2-shot Vig
Hamilton Brian: Claims VT
Jamiet99uk: Claims VT
KoalaAttack: Claims VT
rdrivera2005: Claims Doctor
worcej: Claims VT

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1758 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:40 am

I'm inclined to let Rdr live a day so I'm happy with my vote on Bozo.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1759 Post by rdrivera2005 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:51 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:36 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:51 am
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:27 am
I'd lean towards letting you live today on the condition you "docsave" me tonight.

Who do you think is mafia? Who should we vote?
How sure you are about Bozo being town? I think he was really eager to get me misskilled.

Other possibilities are Worcej and Koala. Worcej is having a low impact game, which could be scum. And Koala is Koala.
Why do you think I wanted to DK you more than everyone else who voted for you? I prefer to DK worcej today, but I think your claim under pressure makes you more likely to be mafia, not less.
Well, there were 3 people hammering me so I have no option then claim, I agree that as Mafia I should probably claim too, but reading this as more Mafia doesn't make sense. And you were one of the hammers, which isn't your usual play. You are not trigger happy. You said to wait for me to talk buy still hammer, which looks like hoping someone else hit the trigger before I came back.

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Re: M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

#1760 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:03 am

Yeah Rdr we forced you to claim.

And Bozo, you know that, so once again you appear to be manipulating the narrative.

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