M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[worcej]

I don't have any particular scumread and statistically I ought to vote between Bona rdr and Koala. Having said I'll move off K it's a toss up. Let's try ##vote rdr

I like this vote but hate the lack of game reasoning beyond causing chaos.

Again, more of not doing much from damo.

I've narrowed it down to 9 pairs. I think that's achieving something.

What are the pairs? I assume rdr is the lowest common denominator in these?

[bozotheclown]

##Vote The Person Who Is Called Bozotheclown

The point of my question was obviously to determine why you did not considering voting for Kakarroto, since he is confirmed as mafia. Your focusing on your vote for TFB makes it seem like you are diverting attention from the fact that your actions at EOD can be interpreted as an attempt to same Kakarroto.

[worcej]

Can I ask why you would think me engaging with Jamie as he was engaging with you is explicitly scummy? I can see how, if you were another 3rd party here, that it could look like I was defending you in that instance, but it’s weird to see you have so much thought on that interaction with Jamie.

I don't think it's an explicit thing. I think it's a subtle opportunity. It goes back to my "filling the room" theory. Which is probably such a stupid idea anyway, but this is where I am at today.

Which is why I am taking some other looks at interactions because I am worried that I have focused so much on you that I've dug a hole and can't reliably see anything else.

I would understand your thoughts better if it wasn’t D1 and early in the game when there is information to be processed and that would be a distraction.

[worcej]

I do have 1 thought: if there are 2 Mafias left, based on reactions to me, I think there is one Mafia in Flum, HB, worcej (what did brainbomb called me doing to Damo last game?) and one Mafia in everyone else (annoyed with me) to spread their eggs among baskets

Is your basis here that one would buddy and one would detract?

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote The Person Who Is Called Bozotheclown

The point of my question was obviously to determine why you did not considering voting for Kakarroto, since he is confirmed as mafia. Your focusing on your vote for TFB makes it seem like you are diverting attention from the fact that your actions at EOD can be interpreted as an attempt to same Kakarroto.

I did not consider voting for him because I did not scumread him, whilst I did scumread you, and you were a viable wagon, so that's where I was.

[bozotheclown]

I was voting for "TheBozotheclown" which, based on other comments you have made today, ought to have been considered a valid vote for you, Bozo, ought it not?

Therefore in actual fact I was voting for you well before the above sequence happened.

I think that is accurate, but you re-voting me at 51 minutes before EOD, which was properly recorded by the bot, suggests you considered your vote a valid TFB vote.

No, I just didn't want there to be any confusion.

Sincerely and honestly, I had no strong read on Kak. I was certainly not attempting to save him because I am not his team-mate. I was simply voting and pushing a scumread. That scumread is you.

OK, if you are town, and timing of you vote for me was a coincidence, which is certainly possible, you are wrong about me, and you seem to not be considering any other possible scum suspects.

[rdrivera2005]

I like this vote but hate the lack of game reasoning beyond causing chaos.

Again, more of not doing much from damo.

I've narrowed it down to 9 pairs. I think that's achieving something.

What are the pairs? I assume rdr is the lowest common denominator in these?

He didn't answer my question and I am starting to really think he might be scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think that is accurate, but you re-voting me at 51 minutes before EOD, which was properly recorded by the bot, suggests you considered your vote a valid TFB vote.

No, I just didn't want there to be any confusion.

Sincerely and honestly, I had no strong read on Kak. I was certainly not attempting to save him because I am not his team-mate. I was simply voting and pushing a scumread. That scumread is you.

OK, if you are town, and timing of you vote for me was a coincidence, which is certainly possible, you are wrong about me, and you seem to not be considering any other possible scum suspects.

After my bath I will look for your partner.

[rdrivera2005]

Anyway, I need to cast a vote.

I thought the Bozo tunnel might be scum Bozo, but he improved today.
Só I am not sure anymore.

I think Worcej including TFB on his reads is lazy (or drunk) Worcej but not sure if this is scum Worcej. His defense of himself looks more town angry then scum catched on a scumslip.

I will ##vote Bona because it ties the voting and the voting is pretty still right now.

[Hamilton Brian]

Can I ask why you would think me engaging with Jamie as he was engaging with you is explicitly scummy? I can see how, if you were another 3rd party here, that it could look like I was defending you in that instance, but it’s weird to see you have so much thought on that interaction with Jamie.

I don't think it's an explicit thing. I think it's a subtle opportunity. It goes back to my "filling the room" theory. Which is probably such a stupid idea anyway, but this is where I am at today.

Which is why I am taking some other looks at interactions because I am worried that I have focused so much on you that I've dug a hole and can't reliably see anything else.

I would understand your thoughts better if it wasn’t D1 and early in the game when there is information to be processed and that would be a distraction.

Currently in the pub for the afternoon.

Anyway, Worcej, I get it. I’m using D1 information/observations/perceptions to inform my vote today. I suppose it could be worse.

We need information. Someone is going to flip today and give us more info than we have.

What makes me truly reconsider is you aren’t really trying to defend yourself. I could see mafia being more protestive, demanding, etc.

However this resolves, information is good, yeah?

[bozotheclown]

I may miss EOD. I suggest not mis-killing me today.

[KoalaAttack]

I do have 1 thought: if there are 2 Mafias left, based on reactions to me, I think there is one Mafia in Flum, HB, worcej (what did brainbomb called me doing to Damo last game?) and one Mafia in everyone else (annoyed with me) to spread their eggs among baskets

Is your basis here that one would buddy and one would detract?

Yep – similar to how there seems to be a common wisdom about not piling on the same wagon. Since discussion of Koala's Townie Heel tactics took up such a big portion of the agenda, I'd imagine a Mafia team would avoid going "all in" on either side of the debate.

[Hamilton Brian]

I may miss EOD. I suggest not mis-killing me today.

Votes not being static, what’s your next vote placement of Worcej falls out of contention?

[KoalaAttack]

I may miss EOD. I suggest not mis-killing me today.

Votes not being static, what’s your next vote placement of Worcej falls out of contention?

Suspicious, because I totally did this trick last game as a Mafia – successfully too – voted for Townie Chaqa while going AFK for EOD and putting up Mafia teammate Eden as my "vote for Eden if you don't like Chaqa" parting shot.

[Hamilton Brian]

Maybe; it’s a tactic, I’m sure. However I think we’re at a point where a vanity wagon would be less-than-useful. I am sure Bozo has a backup vote. I know I do.

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Bonatogether (2) KoalaAttack rdrivera2005
worcej (2) Hamilton Brian bozotheclown
rdrivera2005 (1) damo666
damo666 (1) worcej
Hamilton Brian (1) Bonatogether

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[worcej]

I don't think it's an explicit thing. I think it's a subtle opportunity. It goes back to my "filling the room" theory. Which is probably such a stupid idea anyway, but this is where I am at today.

Which is why I am taking some other looks at interactions because I am worried that I have focused so much on you that I've dug a hole and can't reliably see anything else.

I would understand your thoughts better if it wasn’t D1 and early in the game when there is information to be processed and that would be a distraction.

Currently in the pub for the afternoon.

Anyway, Worcej, I get it. I’m using D1 information/observations/perceptions to inform my vote today. I suppose it could be worse.

We need information. Someone is going to flip today and give us more info than we have.

What makes me truly reconsider is you aren’t really trying to defend yourself. I could see mafia being more protestive, demanding, etc.

However this resolves, information is good, yeah?

Information is always good, but we probably don't have many miskills available to us and I think you're being negligent by not thinking about this.

[Bonatogether]

OK, but it was the not reason you stated, which make what you said look like a fabrication.

i never fabricate shit

You do as mafia.

this just isn't true lol

[Hamilton Brian]

How would mafia play the game and never make anything up? <head scratching >.

[worcej]

How would mafia play the game and never make anything up? <head scratching >.

I don't know how to respond to Bona's claim either lol...