M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[ghug]

Someone remind me why we think Koala has a gun?

@Ghug: Why was this your immediate reaction to a shot being fired?

Because I wanted to vote for koala but I didn't want to vote for him if there was a compelling reason to think he'd just shot Kak. I was inclined to believe there wasn't, since he appeared to not be present.

[KoalaAttack]

Someone remind me why we think Koala has a gun?

@Ghug: Why was this your immediate reaction to a shot being fired?

Because I wanted to vote for koala but I didn't want to vote for him if there was a compelling reason to think he'd just shot Kak. I was inclined to believe there wasn't, since he appeared to not be present.

I can confirm that I was not present while Kak was shot.

But you know**, generally speaking – unless the GMs are refreshing this page like crazy OCDs every 5 seconds, someone being present is non-indicative of their involvement in prior PMs to the GMs.

** – is it suspicious if you don't know?

[KoalaAttack]

I believe in Democracy, so:


SMASH BROTHERS PAUSE SOUND – THE GAME IS PAUSED

Koala: Silly Impersonation Roleplay
Kak: Well that's unhelpful, here is a bunch of posts on why this will never lead to a Mafia getting caught
AwesomeNinja: **shoots Kak**
Brain: Kak was Mafia.

Koala: Silly Impersonation Roleplay
Jamiet & ghug: Well that's unhelpful, here is a bunch of posts on why this will never lead to a Mafia getting caught
Koala: ...

Bandersnatch:

(A) I love your Impersonations! If it worked once, keep doing it mate!

(B) I hate your Impersonations, but you do you. Don't fix it if it ain't broken.

(C) Please stop for the love of god. Play the game how ghug & Jamiet want you to play it.

You may input the choice for your code at any point, and KirbyKoala will attempt to weight their actions according to the (A) vs (B) vs (C) distributions in real-time.

SMASH BROTHERS IS UNPAUSED

[ghug]

You're leaving out bozo's actual justification for a simple narrative.

No. I am summarising what I genuinely believe Bozo to have said about me.

If you are better at interpreting Bozo's words and actions than you think I am, please could you explain why you think he is voting for me?

@Ghug:

Why did you ignore this question?

Can you address it now please??

He thought our interaction was weird and wanted to apply pressure to it to see what would happen.

[ghug]

I feel like there are players being more protective of their opinions than Koala here…

As usual, I am being as open as I possibly can.

I put it to you that Bozo is the opposite and Ghug is little better. Both have avoided my questions.

I am happy to discuss any issues that are on your mind, Worcej.

I didn't avoid shit, Jamie.

[ghug]

Well, I was wrong about Kak and TFB. Sorry TFB.

Good job Vig, but I still think shooting D1 is a poor choice.

Based

[Hamilton Brian]

I'm wanting to fuck right out of here.

Koala, stop being so opaque.

Town, fucking get ti otgether. Death of Kak was a bonus, not an invitation to sit on laurels.

[Hamilton Brian]

Right, this is me hammered-posting. No blaming anyone, but there's shit rising, and I smelt it on D1.

[KoalaAttack]

Well, I was wrong about Kak and TFB. Sorry TFB.

Good job Vig, but I still think shooting D1 is a poor choice.

Does this imply you believe there is another Vig so it's useful to mention the last bit?

Very interesting to put the red part through the Town/Mafia motivations filter.

Hey, The Guide Works! No wonder I have been The President since the times of the Garden of Eden. Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the awesomest of all?

[Hamilton Brian]

And that movement from the 52nd minute on should be revealing something. There's transparency and desperation!

Good luck at the pub quiz, j. Love pub trivia but fuck does it not kill my next day when i have to wake up at 6am!

[KoalaAttack]

Koala, stop being so opaque.

I am happy to. How am I being opaque? I am 100% transparent about what I'm doing.

I claim the PR of the Townue Heel. I will troll and rile up the Mafia, and get them to engage. More engagement == mode data for the rest of us to analyze. Just like the mystery AwesomeNinja who shot Kak (way to go!).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(pro ... wrestling)

[ghug]

You always scumread me, lol. And this time I can't even OMGUS you as I think you are town.

Right now I won't vote for Flum, Kak and HB as I believe they are town. Flum because of the weird claim, Kak because of the setup discussions and HR because of the number thing and the reaction to Flum.

I will ##vote TheFlyingBoat as he is the one I just don't remember anything he said this game and he usually have an Impact.

What about Kak's setup discussions made you not want to vote for him?

I didn't expect scum Kak to openly speculate about setup and Mafia roles. Usually scum not engage in this type of speculation to avoid saying something that can be either a scumslip or give info to town when they flip. Looking at Kak posts I am guessing we have 3 scum (2 now) and no strong powers.

Scum mech talk all the time.

[Fluminator]

Lol, I appreciate koala's extremely unique play this game

[ghug]

Koala, stop being so opaque.

I am happy to. How am I being opaque? I am 100% transparent about what I'm doing.

I claim the PR of the Townue Heel. I will troll and rile up the Mafia, and get them to engage. More engagement == mode data for the rest of us to analyze. Just like the mystery AwesomeNinja who shot Kak (way to go!).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(pro ... wrestling)

I respect the desire to provoke reactions and I respect that you'd be upset at the experienced players for not getting on board with your troll, but:
1) you can't expect only mafia to be upset with your trolling. If it's intended to piss people off it's going to upset townies too, so you have to be ready to analyze the reactions and draw nuanced conclusions.
2) you're not drawing any sort of conclusions that suggest desire to solve, which is an important component of this process.
3) I believe you're clever enough to get a sense for all of this, and what you're doing obfuscates your role for anyone who's played with you thus far, so I'm going to be disinclined to give you a pass for much of anything here.

[Fluminator]

Rdr, I'm in the same grounds as you in town reading Kak and scum reading TFB so I'm not judging you, but on paper it is still scummy in that's all you've done so can you be more significant and catch some scum or something so I can rule you out.

Again we don't actually have that many miskilled available

[Fluminator]

Jamiet, why did your activity drop so much at eod after being one of the most active posters? What was going on for you then?

I was at the Colpitts Inn pub quiz and could only check in during the breaks to avoid it looking like I was cheating at the quiz.

Disappointed you'd prioritize being with people over catching scum in a forum game on webdiplomacy.net

[KoalaAttack]

Koala, stop being so opaque.

I am happy to. How am I being opaque? I am 100% transparent about what I'm doing.

I claim the PR of the Townue Heel. I will troll and rile up the Mafia, and get them to engage. More engagement == mode data for the rest of us to analyze. Just like the mystery AwesomeNinja who shot Kak (way to go!).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(pro ... wrestling)

I respect the desire to provoke reactions and I respect that you'd be upset at the experienced players for not getting on board with your troll, but:
1) you can't expect only mafia to be upset with your trolling. If it's intended to piss people off it's going to upset townies too, so you have to be ready to analyze the reactions and draw nuanced conclusions.
2) you're not drawing any sort of conclusions that suggest desire to solve, which is an important component of this process.
3) I believe you're clever enough to get a sense for all of this, and what you're doing obfuscates your role for anyone who's played with you thus far, so I'm going to be disinclined to give you a pass for much of anything here.

1) Agreed 100%, and I fully expect to catch some Townies in my reaction net. I am going to try and analyze the reactions and draw nuanced conclusions indeed.

2) Really? I disagree. I just pointed out a neat nuanced conclusion about you – you stated that you were making decisions on my alignment based on whether or not I was around for The Shooting of The Evil Kak. And I pointed out, quite nuanced-ly, that a self-proclaimed experienced players to be well aware of the fact that GMs process requests when they see / read them, which could be much later after the PM with the orders to shoot someone. And I think it's Suspicious from you.

Now, tell me ghug – are you telling me I'm not drawing any sort of conclusions and conveniently ignoring the above example because this was a Mafia slip while pretending to act Townie and now you are just trying to paper over it and quickly move on? I think it's a legit conclusion from your reaction, and a potential Mafia slip.

I invite others to please chime in! Of course ghug is going to say it wasn't a slip, that in itself is a given.

3) You are 100% correct. I do believe that I explicitly and clearly stated that the rationale for the gimmick was to avoid folks using my meta from past games – because Bona has warned me I'm going to get D1 voted for my Mafia deeds in our Mafia chat last game. And I stated this before this game stated, committing to it regardless of my alignment in advance. Now I am simply following through as promised, which as rdrivera correctly called it is ironically my true meta.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, why were you so interested in pushing the ghug/jamiet countervotes specifically when there were many other wagons at the time? Were the other ones not that compelling to you?

I think KoalaAttack and TFB were the only other wagons with more than 1 vote, and I was not particularly interested in voting for either of them.

[bozotheclown]

Assuming mafia get a nightkill in, we have 9 town with probably 2 scum meaning we still only have 2 miskills before we lose. We're only even right now.

I think ghug/damo/hamilton can all be safely assumed as town for being on the kak wagon until at least we use the first miskill.

I would not assume there were no bussers when Kakarroto missed the second half of D1.

[bozotheclown]

I probably got lucky and Jamiet is mafia, I don't think he would try to get me DKed for voting for him as town.

Bozo, I am very sick of your shit already.

As EoD approached I repeatedly engaged with your suspicions of me. Your response was to ignore me completely.

If you actually suspect me and are not totally full of shit, as you appear to be, please fucking engage with me.

I'm not asking very much but you are behaving with a scum mindset.

I did not suspect you until you pushed to DK the one player voting for you in the last hour of D1. This post was the second reason to suspect you.