Re: MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:06 am
obviously i don't claim to be 100% but it's my best guess, and people i townread are also coalescing around you two
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BK3K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:10 amThe Post Where I Actually Do Something
I did a tactic and I want to tell you about it.
I believe that Bona, Koala, and me are town. I kinda believe Chaqa is town. I don't much believe TFB or fisch are town.
At the time I did the above, I think the vote count was 3 fish vs. 1 boat (a classic battle). I thought, this won't tell us much. If these are the only two wagons, they'll just vote for each other. They would do the same regardless of alignment. So let's add a 3rd wagon and see if they jump on it.
May I present to the jury Exhibit A:
This is too galaxy brain for me. I have a real hard time believing this is the duo. @Bona, do some research if he sussed either of these previously. Otherwise, it looks like you bit the bait I threw out there.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:59 am...
As bad as lfischl looks, we shouldn't rule out a Chaqa/Koala team. I don't think BK is bad after doing more VCA. Will need to think more on it.
...
Gonna re-read these two in a bit more deeply to see if I am right or going way too galaxy brained.
Amen, my Koala brother. I'm going to call you a Mother Fucker, but in like a Samuel L. Jackson way, a compliment.KoalaAttack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:10 amSo the question is – did TFB really not see all these other folks "latching on" to same things about Chaqa or President Eden? I mean, BK3K has been pretty blunt about expressing the Chaqa-trolling suspicions for instance. So, like, if this is a Mafia frame attempt, why is it so bad? Does it mean it's an honest mistake?
May I present to the jury Exhibit B:
Another bite at Chaqa and another presentation of Chaqa/Koala. I don't buy it personally.lfischl wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:00 pmwhat do you think about chaqa? I think TFB said it earlier but I could see a chaqa/koala team. I think it's more likely chaqa/tfb but I chaqa is definitely scum in my eyes. Also I was roleblocked for some reasonBonatogether wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:56 pmi'm unhappy with the lfischl wagon because he's just so hard to read
he has fewer posts than jamie
In my opinion and my math, there is a 25% chance that you are approaching 100% lying.BK3K wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:27 pmYou're town in 3/4 if those, so I'd say it's 25% you're scum. Damo, fact check me in thatBK3K wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:26 pm
Possibilities include:
A) you're lying
[*] You are saying this because you're scum and only town can be role blocked. It's a round about way of claiming town
[*] You're town and a lunatic
B) you're not lying
[*] Scum is trolling
[*]Scum want this exact situation to raise uncertainty
I do believe the last scum are TheFlyingBoat and lfischl.
Because I have no fucking idea, to be intellectually honest, here is where my theory could fall apart:I'll also add I think it might be one of these two and chaqa, but I think that's less likely (even though chaqa is in 2 of 3 combinations, so is 67% scum by my joke math)
- They both proposed Chaqa/Koala combo
- For this to be true, I would have to be completely not paying attention (true)
and- Bona to be completely fooled (less likely)
Given the small chance chaqa is scum, I think I need to pick who I think is more scum, but I'll vote for one of those two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_f4-5E ... MovieClips
You didn't do anything unless webDip has reversed the flow of the causality of time. If you had voted Koala and gotten me to bite there maybe you have something, but that also requires you to believe that I care about the existence of wagons if I am scum and don't have a problem magicking them out of thin air if it suits my purpose. Shit when I was scum in M1021 I set up arguments for the D2/D3 info kills on N1 before anyone else did and then set up the Kak miskill on D5 while we were busy with the D2/3 info miskills.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:58 pmThis is going to sound really pathetic...but I just don't know who the last three can be.
D1
Final Vote Count:
BunnyGo (9) brainbomb, Fluminator, Bonatogether, damo666, BK3K, TheFlyingBoat, KoalaAttack, lfischl, ghug
Bonatogether (4) swordsman3003/Neon, President Eden, BunnyGo, Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat (2) bozotheclown, rdrivera2005
D2
Final Vote Count:
ghug (5) rdrivera2005, brainbomb, President Eden, damo666, bozotheclown
damo666 (3) TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, ghug
President Eden (2) BK3K, lfischl
BK3K (1) KoalaAttack
KoalaAttack (1) Chaqa
D3
FINAL VOTE COUNT
damo666 (10) - President Eden*, Chaqa*, TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, Rdrivera2005, BK3K*, brainbomb, KoalaAttack, Lfischl, bozotheclown
Chaqa (1) - Prncess Neon*
TheFlyingBoat (1) - Damo666
Like I look at this and I see the team based on the votes being something like ghug/chaqa/rdr/lfischl, but I don't fully like it. Will think on it more, but I am admittedly overwhelmed with 2 jobs rn and don't really feel confident in myself rn. I'll get over it soon prolly, but I don't know how I could have been wrong there.
Compare what you know of my town games and reread M1021. You'll find that what differentiates my town game and scum game is behavior, not activity or level of analysis. Then analyze my behavior in my scum game (M021) vs here and analyze my town games vs here.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:06 amobviously i don't claim to be 100% but it's my best guess, and people i townread are also coalescing around you two
the post you quote is massively hedged. it literally leads off with 'i just don't know who the last 3 could be.'TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:18 amYou didn't do anything unless webDip has reversed the flow of the causality of time. If you had voted Koala and gotten me to bite there maybe you have something, but that also requires you to believe that I care about the existence of wagons if I am scum and don't have a problem magicking them out of thin air if it suits my purpose. Shit when I was scum in M1021 I set up arguments for the D2/D3 info kills on N1 before anyone else did and then set up the Kak miskill on D5 while we were busy with the D2/3 info miskills.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:58 pmThis is going to sound really pathetic...but I just don't know who the last three can be.
Like I look at this and I see the team based on the votes being something like ghug/chaqa/rdr/lfischl, but I don't fully like it. Will think on it more, but I am admittedly overwhelmed with 2 jobs rn and don't really feel confident in myself rn. I'll get over it soon prolly, but I don't know how I could have been wrong there.
self-meta is objectively cringeTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:22 amCompare what you know of my town games and reread M1021. You'll find that what differentiates my town game and scum game is behavior, not activity or level of analysis. Then analyze my behavior in my scum game (M021) vs here and analyze my town games vs here.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:06 amobviously i don't claim to be 100% but it's my best guess, and people i townread are also coalescing around you two
Your argument was literally that I was not playing my town game, which is true but you never actually argue I am playing my scum gameBonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:26 amself-meta is objectively cringeTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:22 amCompare what you know of my town games and reread M1021. You'll find that what differentiates my town game and scum game is behavior, not activity or level of analysis. Then analyze my behavior in my scum game (M021) vs here and analyze my town games vs here.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:06 amobviously i don't claim to be 100% but it's my best guess, and people i townread are also coalescing around you two
Because I was shellshocked by how wrong I was? I expected a coronation of my contraction theory level genius play and got a shit bucket dumped on me insteadBonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:25 amthe post you quote is massively hedged. it literally leads off with 'i just don't know who the last 3 could be.'TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:18 amYou didn't do anything unless webDip has reversed the flow of the causality of time. If you had voted Koala and gotten me to bite there maybe you have something, but that also requires you to believe that I care about the existence of wagons if I am scum and don't have a problem magicking them out of thin air if it suits my purpose. Shit when I was scum in M1021 I set up arguments for the D2/D3 info kills on N1 before anyone else did and then set up the Kak miskill on D5 while we were busy with the D2/3 info miskills.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:58 pmThis is going to sound really pathetic...but I just don't know who the last three can be.
Like I look at this and I see the team based on the votes being something like ghug/chaqa/rdr/lfischl, but I don't fully like it. Will think on it more, but I am admittedly overwhelmed with 2 jobs rn and don't really feel confident in myself rn. I'll get over it soon prolly, but I don't know how I could have been wrong there.
as you said, there's a lot of irl stuff going on for you. i don't believe either are entirely applicable, but i know what i see and i know what i think that meansTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:11 amYour argument was literally that I was not playing my town game, which is true but you never actually argue I am playing my scum gameBonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:26 amself-meta is objectively cringeTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:22 am
Compare what you know of my town games and reread M1021. You'll find that what differentiates my town game and scum game is behavior, not activity or level of analysis. Then analyze my behavior in my scum game (M021) vs here and analyze my town games vs here.
TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:12 amBecause I was shellshocked by how wrong I was? I expected a coronation of my contraction theory level genius play and got a shit bucket dumped on me insteadBonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:25 amthe post you quote is massively hedged. it literally leads off with 'i just don't know who the last 3 could be.'TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:18 am
You didn't do anything unless webDip has reversed the flow of the causality of time. If you had voted Koala and gotten me to bite there maybe you have something, but that also requires you to believe that I care about the existence of wagons if I am scum and don't have a problem magicking them out of thin air if it suits my purpose. Shit when I was scum in M1021 I set up arguments for the D2/D3 info kills on N1 before anyone else did and then set up the Kak miskill on D5 while we were busy with the D2/3 info miskills.
Red emphasis mine. Maybe it was a bad trap, we'll find soon i guess. I guess i thought that koala was too obvious a bait for you to take, but you both named him anywayTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:18 amBK3K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:10 amThe Post Where I Actually Do Something
I did a tactic and I want to tell you about it.
I believe that Bona, Koala, and me are town. I kinda believe Chaqa is town. I don't much believe TFB or fisch are town.
At the time I did the above, I think the vote count was 3 fish vs. 1 boat (a classic battle). I thought, this won't tell us much. If these are the only two wagons, they'll just vote for each other. They would do the same regardless of alignment. So let's add a 3rd wagon and see if they jump on it.
May I present to the jury Exhibit A:
This is too galaxy brain for me. I have a real hard time believing this is the duo. @Bona, do some research if he sussed either of these previously. Otherwise, it looks like you bit the bait I threw out there.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:59 am...
As bad as lfischl looks, we shouldn't rule out a Chaqa/Koala team. I don't think BK is bad after doing more VCA. Will need to think more on it.
...
Gonna re-read these two in a bit more deeply to see if I am right or going way too galaxy brained.
Amen, my Koala brother. I'm going to call you a Mother Fucker, but in like a Samuel L. Jackson way, a compliment.KoalaAttack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:10 amSo the question is – did TFB really not see all these other folks "latching on" to same things about Chaqa or President Eden? I mean, BK3K has been pretty blunt about expressing the Chaqa-trolling suspicions for instance. So, like, if this is a Mafia frame attempt, why is it so bad? Does it mean it's an honest mistake?
May I present to the jury Exhibit B:
Another bite at Chaqa and another presentation of Chaqa/Koala. I don't buy it personally.
In my opinion and my math, there is a 25% chance that you are approaching 100% lying.
I do believe the last scum are TheFlyingBoat and lfischl.
Because I have no fucking idea, to be intellectually honest, here is where my theory could fall apart:I'll also add I think it might be one of these two and chaqa, but I think that's less likely (even though chaqa is in 2 of 3 combinations, so is 67% scum by my joke math)
- They both proposed Chaqa/Koala combo
- For this to be true, I would have to be completely not paying attention (true)
and- Bona to be completely fooled (less likely)
Given the small chance chaqa is scum, I think I need to pick who I think is more scum, but I'll vote for one of those two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_f4-5E ... MovieClipsYou didn't do anything unless webDip has reversed the flow of the causality of time. If you had voted Koala and gotten me to bite there maybe you have something, but that also requires you to believe that I care about the existence of wagons if I am scum and don't have a problem magicking them out of thin air if it suits my purpose. Shit when I was scum in M1021 I set up arguments for the D2/D3 info kills on N1 before anyone else did and then set up the Kak miskill on D5 while we were busy with the D2/3 info miskills.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:58 pmThis is going to sound really pathetic...but I just don't know who the last three can be.
D1
Final Vote Count:
BunnyGo (9) brainbomb, Fluminator, Bonatogether, damo666, BK3K, TheFlyingBoat, KoalaAttack, lfischl, ghug
Bonatogether (4) swordsman3003/Neon, President Eden, BunnyGo, Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat (2) bozotheclown, rdrivera2005
D2
Final Vote Count:
ghug (5) rdrivera2005, brainbomb, President Eden, damo666, bozotheclown
damo666 (3) TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, ghug
President Eden (2) BK3K, lfischl
BK3K (1) KoalaAttack
KoalaAttack (1) Chaqa
D3
FINAL VOTE COUNT
damo666 (10) - President Eden*, Chaqa*, TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, Rdrivera2005, BK3K*, brainbomb, KoalaAttack, Lfischl, bozotheclown
Chaqa (1) - Prncess Neon*
TheFlyingBoat (1) - Damo666
Like I look at this and I see the team based on the votes being something like ghug/chaqa/rdr/lfischl, but I don't fully like it. Will think on it more, but I am admittedly overwhelmed with 2 jobs rn and don't really feel confident in myself rn. I'll get over it soon prolly, but I don't know how I could have been wrong there.
And you think if I am mafia I am telling lfischl to sheep me that blatantly when I know I will be in the PoE? Come on BK think a little.BK3K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:52 amRed emphasis mine. Maybe it was a bad trap, we'll find soon i guess. I guess i thought that koala was too obvious a bait for you to take, but you both named him anywayTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:18 amBK3K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:10 amThe Post Where I Actually Do Something
I did a tactic and I want to tell you about it.
I believe that Bona, Koala, and me are town. I kinda believe Chaqa is town. I don't much believe TFB or fisch are town.
At the time I did the above, I think the vote count was 3 fish vs. 1 boat (a classic battle). I thought, this won't tell us much. If these are the only two wagons, they'll just vote for each other. They would do the same regardless of alignment. So let's add a 3rd wagon and see if they jump on it.
May I present to the jury Exhibit A:
This is too galaxy brain for me. I have a real hard time believing this is the duo. @Bona, do some research if he sussed either of these previously. Otherwise, it looks like you bit the bait I threw out there.
Amen, my Koala brother. I'm going to call you a Mother Fucker, but in like a Samuel L. Jackson way, a compliment.
May I present to the jury Exhibit B:
Another bite at Chaqa and another presentation of Chaqa/Koala. I don't buy it personally.
In my opinion and my math, there is a 25% chance that you are approaching 100% lying.
I do believe the last scum are TheFlyingBoat and lfischl.
Because I have no fucking idea, to be intellectually honest, here is where my theory could fall apart:I'll also add I think it might be one of these two and chaqa, but I think that's less likely (even though chaqa is in 2 of 3 combinations, so is 67% scum by my joke math)
- They both proposed Chaqa/Koala combo
- For this to be true, I would have to be completely not paying attention (true)
and- Bona to be completely fooled (less likely)
Given the small chance chaqa is scum, I think I need to pick who I think is more scum, but I'll vote for one of those two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_f4-5E ... MovieClipsYou didn't do anything unless webDip has reversed the flow of the causality of time. If you had voted Koala and gotten me to bite there maybe you have something, but that also requires you to believe that I care about the existence of wagons if I am scum and don't have a problem magicking them out of thin air if it suits my purpose. Shit when I was scum in M1021 I set up arguments for the D2/D3 info kills on N1 before anyone else did and then set up the Kak miskill on D5 while we were busy with the D2/3 info miskills.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:58 pmThis is going to sound really pathetic...but I just don't know who the last three can be.
D1
Final Vote Count:
BunnyGo (9) brainbomb, Fluminator, Bonatogether, damo666, BK3K, TheFlyingBoat, KoalaAttack, lfischl, ghug
Bonatogether (4) swordsman3003/Neon, President Eden, BunnyGo, Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat (2) bozotheclown, rdrivera2005
D2
Final Vote Count:
ghug (5) rdrivera2005, brainbomb, President Eden, damo666, bozotheclown
damo666 (3) TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, ghug
President Eden (2) BK3K, lfischl
BK3K (1) KoalaAttack
KoalaAttack (1) Chaqa
D3
FINAL VOTE COUNT
damo666 (10) - President Eden*, Chaqa*, TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, Rdrivera2005, BK3K*, brainbomb, KoalaAttack, Lfischl, bozotheclown
Chaqa (1) - Prncess Neon*
TheFlyingBoat (1) - Damo666
Like I look at this and I see the team based on the votes being something like ghug/chaqa/rdr/lfischl, but I don't fully like it. Will think on it more, but I am admittedly overwhelmed with 2 jobs rn and don't really feel confident in myself rn. I'll get over it soon prolly, but I don't know how I could have been wrong there.
Others check me on my assumptions for sure
Let's assume Chaqa is guilty. I have a hard time believing it's bona or koala. Then either you or lfischl is the teammate.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:15 amAnd you think if I am mafia I am telling lfischl to sheep me that blatantly when I know I will be in the PoE? Come on BK think a little.BK3K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:52 amRed emphasis mine. Maybe it was a bad trap, we'll find soon i guess. I guess i thought that koala was too obvious a bait for you to take, but you both named him anywayTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:18 am
You didn't do anything unless webDip has reversed the flow of the causality of time. If you had voted Koala and gotten me to bite there maybe you have something, but that also requires you to believe that I care about the existence of wagons if I am scum and don't have a problem magicking them out of thin air if it suits my purpose. Shit when I was scum in M1021 I set up arguments for the D2/D3 info kills on N1 before anyone else did and then set up the Kak miskill on D5 while we were busy with the D2/3 info miskills.
Others check me on my assumptions for sure
Question @Boat: Are you okay with the vote currently going to Fish? I recall you saying since Fish was a lurker, they'd be an easy miskill and that's why they were kept around. But isn't lurking a scum-leaning strategy?BK3K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:11 pmLet's assume Chaqa is guilty. I have a hard time believing it's bona or koala. Then either you or lfischl is the teammate.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:15 amAnd you think if I am mafia I am telling lfischl to sheep me that blatantly when I know I will be in the PoE? Come on BK think a little.
So maybe to hedge against this, it's safer to choose the person that Chaqa didn't pick. So we should switch vote from lfischl to you?
Of course the next day, we'd have to decide whether to go chaqa or not, so another dilemma.
I prefer Chaqa but will do lfischl