Re: Twenty Questions, Game 90
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:15 pm
Free guess:
Qi Jiguang
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I thought that it might be a Pole from the era of partitions and decided to throw in the rest of Eastern Europe and other unlikely possibilities.han-shahanshah wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:54 pmNo. It’s a shame, these countries are woefully underrepresented in the past ninety selections (no one’s chosen a Greek yet??). Still they were also some of the least likely to be correct, with the exception of certain Romanian voivodes and the PLC.
You have China, Flanders, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, and Portugal remaining.
I think that he is unlikely to be Japanese. None of the daimyos claimed to be independent of Japan or the emperor as far as I understand. It would be odd to demur over the question of whether any Japanese man of this period was "from" Japan.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:13 pmOops, misread the answer.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:12 pmOk we have spent FAR too much time on nationality. At least now we know it's a famous person from China or Japan.
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Yep. Must be from what we now call China. No more questions needed on this.JECE wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:58 pmI think that he is unlikely to be Japanese. None of the daimyos claimed to be independent of Japan or the emperor as far as I understand. It would be odd to demur over the question of whether any Japanese man of this period was "from" Japan.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:13 pmOops, misread the answer.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:12 pmOk we have spent FAR too much time on nationality. At least now we know it's a famous person from China or Japan.
JECE wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:58 pmI think that he is unlikely to be Japanese. None of the daimyos claimed to be independent of Japan or the emperor as far as I understand. It would be odd to demur over the question of whether any Japanese man of this period was "from" Japan.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:13 pmOops, misread the answer.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:12 pmOk we have spent FAR too much time on nationality. At least now we know it's a famous person from China or Japan.
I ... kinda disagree on this point, Japan at the time was more like the HRE in that regard. There were regions who were practically independent. Sure, there was a connection to the emperor/tenno, but it isn't as cut and dry as mentioned above.
Where Merriam-Webster defines a state as:1 : an indefinite usually extended expanse of land : REGION
2 a : the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship
2 b : a political state or nation or its territory
Decentralized conglomerates such as the Holy Roman Empire fit those definitions.5 a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory
especially : one that is sovereign
Yes, this is the interpretation I was looking for! I even brought up the HRE as an example a little earlier hoping someone would see the connection.Kakarroto wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:24 amI ... kinda disagree on this point, Japan at the time was more like the HRE in that regard. There were regions who were practically independent. Sure, there was a connection to the emperor/tenno, but it isn't as cut and dry as mentioned above.
The phrasing was: "I’ll take “country” liberally and say yes." Japan, at least before Tokugawa, was a feudal decentralised conglomerate with different leader in each region that didn't listen to any oversight. Someone could also describe Japan as anarchical in that time. That phrasing from our GM could fit Japan at the time.
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Politically organized can be a tricky term.JECE wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:13 amI mean, we can't rule Japan out completely, but Japan at the time would count as a country by any of the three relevant definitions on Merriam-Webster:Where Merriam-Webster defines a state as:1 : an indefinite usually extended expanse of land : REGION
2 a : the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship
2 b : a political state or nation or its territoryDecentralized conglomerates such as the Holy Roman Empire fit those definitions.5 a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory
especially : one that is sovereign
Unfortunately, 1650 is right in the middle of the Ming-Qing transition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitio ... ng_to_Qinghan-shahanshah wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:16 amYes, this is the interpretation I was looking for! I even brought up the HRE as an example a little earlier hoping someone would see the connection.Kakarroto wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:24 amI ... kinda disagree on this point, Japan at the time was more like the HRE in that regard. There were regions who were practically independent. Sure, there was a connection to the emperor/tenno, but it isn't as cut and dry as mentioned above.
The phrasing was: "I’ll take “country” liberally and say yes." Japan, at least before Tokugawa, was a feudal decentralised conglomerate with different leader in each region that didn't listen to any oversight. Someone could also describe Japan as anarchical in that time. That phrasing from our GM could fit Japan at the time.
Well, apologies for all this confusion. I’ll be refunding all your free guesses to recognize my own ambiguous description..
Yes.
Don't forget about Shingen Takeda, the Tiger of Kai, and Kenshin Uesugi, the Dragon of Echigo!
Personally I wouldn't discount China but our GM's reaction points more to Japan, if I read it correctly.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:55 amSo just to be clear this person is definitely from Japan ?
Yeah, there were many important personalities at the time, though personally I tend to think of the winning side more; and honestly, I think it's probably something like a 50/50 between Nobunaga and Ieyasu, at least for me.
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