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This argument is weak. Lfischl voting Bozo would have locked both as top wagons. Voting you is a vanity wagon and could be distancing.
I think we both should put some effort this night to help the surviving one to decide.damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:45 pmWhoever is scum you will be alive. You can't kill yourself and Balki and Chaqa have to keep you to create the suspicion you are the dark horse.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:33 pmGreat, I am really relieved I didn't loss the game.
If I am alive tomorrow I will try to re-read and dig deeper so whoever is the last scum please kill me...
So I fully expect I will be the NK.
OKrdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:17 pmI think we both should put some effort this night to help the surviving one to decide.damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:45 pmWhoever is scum you will be alive. You can't kill yourself and Balki and Chaqa have to keep you to create the suspicion you are the dark horse.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:33 pmGreat, I am really relieved I didn't loss the game.
If I am alive tomorrow I will try to re-read and dig deeper so whoever is the last scum please kill me...
So I fully expect I will be the NK.
lfischl never listed Chaqa/Bozo as his top suspects. Are you saying that he did that, or.... what are you saying?rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:14 pmThis argument is weak. Lfischl voting Bozo would have locked both as top wagons. Voting you is a vanity wagon and could be distancing.
But him listing you and Bozo as top suspects is something I didn't expect if you are his partners.
Lfishcl had only 7 posts D1. His first two were answers to you. Do you think this somehow make you clear?Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:20 pm@rdrivera, @Damo, @Chaqa
Look at lfischl's Day 1. See where his focus is. See what he says. Consider what is most likely about my alignment.
That's it. That is a complete list.I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim
Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:26 pmlfischl never listed Chaqa/Bozo as his top suspects. Are you saying that he did that, or.... what are you saying?rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:14 pmThis argument is weak. Lfischl voting Bozo would have locked both as top wagons. Voting you is a vanity wagon and could be distancing.
But him listing you and Bozo as top suspects is something I didn't expect if you are his partners.
This was on D3.
Nothing is going to make any of us "clear."rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:30 pmLfishcl had only 7 posts D1. His first two were answers to you. Do you think this somehow make you clear?Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:20 pm@rdrivera, @Damo, @Chaqa
Look at lfischl's Day 1. See where his focus is. See what he says. Consider what is most likely about my alignment.
He also townreads Bo, which is probably why he didn't vote him neither Bozo at D3.
Ah, you are correct. I missed that.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:32 pmBalki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:26 pmlfischl never listed Chaqa/Bozo as his top suspects. Are you saying that he did that, or.... what are you saying?rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:14 pm
This argument is weak. Lfischl voting Bozo would have locked both as top wagons. Voting you is a vanity wagon and could be distancing.
But him listing you and Bozo as top suspects is something I didn't expect if you are his partners.This was on D3.
I will check it out.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:20 pm@rdrivera, @Damo, @Chaqa
Look at lfischl's Day 1. See where his focus is. See what he says. Consider what is most likely about my alignment.
Sure, but within the context of Lfischl being on the block... does he really want to link himself to his teammate with his last act?Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:32 pm@Chaqa, lfischl did vote you and did say a few times that he read you as scum.
Do you want to hear a complete list of everything lfischl said that was negative about you that might possibly convince someone else that you are scum?
You can read that here:
That's it. That is a complete list.I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim
What does this remind me of?....
Ah, right, Chaqa said that lfischl was his top scumread, and also did not say anything negative about lfischl that might convince someone else to vote there.
This is about as classic partner distancing as I can imagine. Tell people that you would be happy to chop your teammate, but never try to convince anyone that your teammate is scum.
I see your point, but you were also driving the thread, with first serious vote and then a claim. He made two posts directed to you and then two directed to Bo, one of them he said he finds you defensive but probably town. I won't give you town cred for this.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:35 pmNothing is going to make any of us "clear."rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:30 pmLfishcl had only 7 posts D1. His first two were answers to you. Do you think this somehow make you clear?Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:20 pm@rdrivera, @Damo, @Chaqa
Look at lfischl's Day 1. See where his focus is. See what he says. Consider what is most likely about my alignment.
He also townreads Bo, which is probably why he didn't vote him neither Bozo at D3.
But I think it is remarkable how focused lfischl is on me on Day 1. His first four posts are about me or directed to me.
If someone gets a PM with secrets in it. And one of the secrets is that I am his teammate. I think it would be very unusual for him to direct his first four posts (more than half of his Day 1 posts in fact) to me or about me.
I am not saying I am clear, of course. I am saying that is strong evidence that I am not on lfischl's team. I am not one of lfischl's secrets. It is evidence of an "unpair."
I don't understand this argument.Chaqa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:39 pmSure, but within the context of Lfischl being on the block... does he really want to link himself to his teammate with his last act?Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:32 pm@Chaqa, lfischl did vote you and did say a few times that he read you as scum.
Do you want to hear a complete list of everything lfischl said that was negative about you that might possibly convince someone else that you are scum?
You can read that here:
That's it. That is a complete list.I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim
What does this remind me of?....
Ah, right, Chaqa said that lfischl was his top scumread, and also did not say anything negative about lfischl that might convince someone else to vote there.
This is about as classic partner distancing as I can imagine. Tell people that you would be happy to chop your teammate, but never try to convince anyone that your teammate is scum.
If he didn't care, he would vote Bozo, but he didn't, which means he didn't want to vote for a teammate.
I'd be interested to hear that from rdrivera and/or Damo if they believe it.
You should. But it's okay.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:43 pmI see your point, but you were also driving the thread, with first serious vote and then a claim. He made two posts directed to you and then two directed to Bo, one of them he said he finds you defensive but probably town. I won't give you town cred for this.
Vote Bozo, since he's up like 4 votes and it makes Bozo look good.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:45 pmI don't understand this argument.Chaqa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:39 pmSure, but within the context of Lfischl being on the block... does he really want to link himself to his teammate with his last act?Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:32 pm@Chaqa, lfischl did vote you and did say a few times that he read you as scum.
Do you want to hear a complete list of everything lfischl said that was negative about you that might possibly convince someone else that you are scum?
You can read that here:
That's it. That is a complete list.
What does this remind me of?....
Ah, right, Chaqa said that lfischl was his top scumread, and also did not say anything negative about lfischl that might convince someone else to vote there.
This is about as classic partner distancing as I can imagine. Tell people that you would be happy to chop your teammate, but never try to convince anyone that your teammate is scum.
If he didn't care, he would vote Bozo, but he didn't, which means he didn't want to vote for a teammate.
The vote was 6 lfischl, 2 Bozo, 1 Damo, 1 Chaqa.
You are saying that lfischl knew that he was going to be chopped, and he would have thought that whomever he had his vote on would "link himself to his teammate." Aren't you using the opposite of that logic right now, that his vote "delinks him from his teammate"? Why wouldn't Scum lfischl apply the same logic you are applying right now?
So you are saying that we should assume that you are not scum because scum wouldn't have wanted to have his vote on you when he died?
In the world where the scum team is Bozo/Chaqa/lfischl, what should we expect lfischl to do when he is about to be chopped?
To be honest, it is a little hypocritical coming from me in general, since I vary my playstyle by whatever way the wind, my ADHD, and my various levels of sobriety take me.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:46 pmI'd be interested to hear that from rdrivera and/or Damo if they believe it.
I am skeptical of players offering insights on their own meta, and I think you can understand why.