MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

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Re: MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

#2601 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:25 pm

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I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
Not a strongman. A tough guy.

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#2602 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:26 pm

Stop thinking! Comment on the No Kill idea now!!!

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#2603 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:26 pm

Finding this a little scummy from my man Bozo.

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#2604 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:26 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pm
I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
I think you mean the tough guy.

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#2605 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:27 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:26 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pm
I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
I think you mean the tough guy.
Yep.

Anyway, best to No Kill considering the CWV, right?

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#2606 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:22 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:17 pm

Isn't it optimal to No Kill today at 4-2?
I think it would be considered optimal with no town clears, but not usually with one town clear. Considering the town PR roles still out there, it is not clear to me if it is optimal this game.
Doesn't that equation change with the CWV?
Even if BunnyGo is the CWV, and the mafia do not have a tough guy, they could NK him to make it 3-1, then we would want to no-kill again to make it 2-1. Or, if the mafia do have a tough guy, it would be 3-2 with no clears.

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#2607 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pm

##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.

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#2608 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:32 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:27 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:26 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pm
I guess that turns out badly if Mafia have a strongman. That is one downside. But I think I'd take that gamble considering we don't lose the game with a strongman.
I think you mean the tough guy.
Yep.

Anyway, best to No Kill considering the CWV, right?
I think it benefits town if there is no tough guy and benefits mafia if there is a tough guy, so no way to be sure.

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#2609 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:34 pm

By the way, I would suggest we implement something I learned about over at Mafia Universe ("MU"), At MU, LYLO/MYLO votes lock. So the moment someone votes at that stage of the game, their vote cannot change.

We could effectively do that by insisting that the person who votes first also hammer. That way, if they are a Town player voting for a scum player, the game ends, as both scum players can hammer.

The benefit of this system, is that we learn something after every vote. So let's say we have Bozo vote first. If he votes, and hammers, then we learn that either Bozo is scum, and/or Bozo is voting for scum.

Whomever Bozo voted for would then cross with Bozo, and another player would vote next. If they vote, and the game does not end, it means that they are not a Town player voting for scum, etc.

I think it is a valuable way to run a LYLO/MYLO scenario for town. There are certainly risks, but you also gain information and I think it is an easier way for town to pull out of a hole when we have to vote correctly twice in a row.

I suggest we No Kill now, and have BunnyGo pick the LYLO/MYLO voting order for tomorrow before this day ends. Ideally, BunnyGo should have players he sees as scummier voting earlier in the order.

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#2610 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:36 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:23 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:22 pm


I think it would be considered optimal with no town clears, but not usually with one town clear. Considering the town PR roles still out there, it is not clear to me if it is optimal this game.
Doesn't that equation change with the CWV?
Even if BunnyGo is the CWV, and the mafia do not have a tough guy, they could NK him to make it 3-1, then we would want to no-kill again to make it 2-1. Or, if the mafia do have a tough guy, it would be 3-2 with no clears.
Right.

2-1 is much better than 4-2. And we'd have a bunch more information to review.

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#2611 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:36 pm

damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pm
##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.
Classy.

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#2612 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:40 pm

damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pm
##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.
If you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.

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#2613 Post by Chaqa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:42 pm

##Vote no-kill
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Seems straightforward today.

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#2614 Post by Chaqa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:43 pm

I'll be back next day phase. Going to unplug for awhile.

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#2615 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:49 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:40 pm
damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pm
##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.
If you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.
Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.

I cannot elaborate but I think no kill is the wrong way to go.

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#2616 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:50 pm

##vote Chaqa

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#2617 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:53 pm

damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:49 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:40 pm
damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:29 pm
##vote Balki

I hope he's scum rather than stupid.
If you are Town, and this is a sincere comment you have made in a mafia game, I hope you will reevaluate how you play online forum games. You don't have to speak to people this way. It doesn't make you bigger or smarter or better.
Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.

I cannot elaborate but I think no kill is the wrong way to go.
I'd like you to elaborate.

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#2618 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:59 pm

Why would you say "I cannot elaborate"?

We're at a stage where we must act correctly or we lose. Elaborate fully. On everything.

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#2619 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:03 am

damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:49 pm
Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I shouldn't have said it that way.
Al good, by the way. I am feeling prickly about that because of a different thing. You are relatively restrained and polite. Respect.

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#2620 Post by damo666 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:05 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:59 pm
Why would you say "I cannot elaborate"?

We're at a stage where we must act correctly or we lose. Elaborate fully. On everything.
Scum may not have thought of what worries me so I don't want to 'out' it. Problem is town may not have thought of it either.

For the timebeing can we not rush a no kill.

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