MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Reading Balki's opening few posts they are incredibly scummy.

I think it is Balki/Bozo.

##vote Balki

I will be back for EOD.

Who will be here EOD please?

Why Balki over Bozo?

I still think Bozo is the best choice. Over all that was said yesterday, I didn't like the way he pushed Bo using a very old game, when Bo was scum two games back and I talked about that game more then once and he just ignored it and justified that it was because he didn't play in that game.

He also started a survey and just ignored it's results, which point to just look as he was doing something not actual scumhunting like someone already pointed.

Again, I was not in game M75, and even so, I believe bo_sox is capable of changing his style as mafia. His actions this game reminded me of M47.

[bozotheclown]

Reading Balki's opening few posts they are incredibly scummy.

I think it is Balki/Bozo.

##vote Balki

I will be back for EOD.

Who will be here EOD please?

Why Balki over Bozo?

I still think Bozo is the best choice. Over all that was said yesterday, I didn't like the way he pushed Bo using a very old game, when Bo was scum two games back and I talked about that game more then once and he just ignored it and justified that it was because he didn't play in that game.

He also started a survey and just ignored it's results, which point to just look as he was doing something not actual scumhunting like someone already pointed.

I also did not "ignore" the results of the survey, I looked at the results, and I previously pointed out that the only thing it showed regarding potential connections to lfischl is that you and damo could have been distancing from lfischl by listing him in your scum reads.

[BunnyGo]

Something about this sticks in my craw. Is Yav town hoping that Balki is also town, because if both are town, they don't know it yet.

Yeah, no. Mafia, or mafia teammates, wouldn't be so brazen to make such a post so openly. Right?

Probably townyav assuming Balki is town.

Just possible it's a Yav scumslip.

Very unlikely both are scum.

Like this post.

Ghug and Drunk Bunny both say to trust damo

[bozotheclown]

Reading Balki's opening few posts they are incredibly scummy.

I think it is Balki/Bozo.

##vote Balki

I will be back for EOD.

Who will be here EOD please?

Why Balki over Bozo?

I still think Bozo is the best choice. Over all that was said yesterday, I didn't like the way he pushed Bo using a very old game, when Bo was scum two games back and I talked about that game more then once and he just ignored it and justified that it was because he didn't play in that game.

He also started a survey and just ignored it's results, which point to just look as he was doing something not actual scumhunting like someone already pointed.

Compare Bozo of this game to last game and there’s a STARK contrast

I do not know what you think is different, but obviously the game dynamics are different. Last game I almost got mis-killed D2 for trying to utilize the dog check mechanic to town's advantage, then D3 I was fooled by damo and lfischl both reporting scans of worcej in a way that I thought was town indictive, so a lot of my activity last game was pertaining to those things.

[BunnyGo]

I do understand that. Hence the possibility of a massclaim to take that tactic away from them.

Someone will need to check the math, but we will have two groups (claimants and non claimants). If all scum claim it's 5 clear VTs and 6 PR claims, so we need to find 3 on 6(50%, best scenario). If no scum claim we have 3 clears and 9 to sort (3 on 9- 33%). If only 1 scum claim we have 1 on 4 and 2 on 8 (25%). If two scum claim we have 2 on 5 and 1 on 7 (not sure how we calculate the odds here, but I think it's around 30%).

If we don't force a massclaim we have 3 on 12 (25%) which is the same of the worst case where only one scum claim. So, I think we might need to wait at least one more day otherwise we don't have a clear gain for exposing our PRs.

5+6 = 11, should be 6 VTs if all scum claim PR.

I think rdr just townslipped. Hurrah!

Can rdr fake a math slip? Maybe…

[BunnyGo]

Here is why I would not wait until tomorrow:

We will have at least two deaths between today and tomorrow. Scum do not know yet who those two deaths will be, or what buckets they will be in. I want to force scum to choose what buckets to claim in now so we can make decisions about what buckets to narrow in order to find town clears.

The main advantage from waiting is to keep PRs hidden another night, but there are enough claims out there now that scum probably have enough info to have a good chance at shooting and killing a PR tonight anyway.

Is this a scum slip?

Maybe Balki did slip knowledge of the scum roles?

[bozotheclown]

@bozo: how would you rate the towniness/scumminess of your own voting history?

My votes were 100% town motivated.

One reason, @bozo, you didn’t respond with the external logical view I expected you to when solving. You’re usually analytical and dispassionate. Your votes may have gone from a town motivation, but you’re usually good at discussing things from another persons POV.

If you mean do I see why some of my votes could look scum motivated, sure, but it wouldn't be possible for me to "rate" my votes knowing why I placed them.

[BunnyGo]

Yup. Quite happy with the current wagons.

[BunnyGo]

Sooo…I need to step away for a bit. Next step is rereading with a specific Bozo/Balki team in mind.

I seem to recall some fun interactions when Balki “claimed” (I was skimming a Bozo ISO last night)

[BunnyGo]

One last question for now @bozo:

Does chaqa historically fake slips?

[bozotheclown]

Yup. Quite happy with the current wagons.

damo and rdrivera being willing to vote today makes sense as mafia considering you are apparently not considering them, so I think it is possible you are the only town not voting no-kill.

damo and rdrivera have already set themselves up to vote for me today, and the fact that neither one has followed your vote for me yet is also suspicious.

If you are going to vote for me today, damo and rdrivera will eventually vote for me, so the only chance we will have to win is if Balki and Chaqa are town and keep their votes on no-kill, assuming a tie between myself and a no-kill vote results in a no-kill.

[bozotheclown]

One last question for now @bozo:

Does chaqa historically fake slips?

I do not remember him every faking a town slip as mafia.

[BunnyGo]

One last question for now @bozo:

Does chaqa historically fake slips?

I do not remember him every faking a town slip as mafia.

How about rdr?

[BunnyGo]

Yup. Quite happy with the current wagons.

damo and rdrivera being willing to vote today makes sense as mafia considering you are apparently not considering them, so I think it is possible you are the only town not voting no-kill.

damo and rdrivera have already set themselves up to vote for me today, and the fact that neither one has followed your vote for me yet is also suspicious.

If you are going to vote for me today, damo and rdrivera will eventually vote for me, so the only chance we will have to win is if Balki and Chaqa are town and keep their votes on no-kill, assuming a tie between myself and a no-kill vote results in a no-kill.

Here’s where I’m at:

Mafia know their roles. We don’t. I’m guessing they have a TG. So quite frankly, I’m looking sideways at all the no-kill votes based on all the clear and simple explanations I’ve been given.

[rdrivera2005]

Reading Balki's opening few posts they are incredibly scummy.

I think it is Balki/Bozo.

##vote Balki

I will be back for EOD.

Who will be here EOD please?

Why Balki over Bozo?

I still think Bozo is the best choice. Over all that was said yesterday, I didn't like the way he pushed Bo using a very old game, when Bo was scum two games back and I talked about that game more then once and he just ignored it and justified that it was because he didn't play in that game.

He also started a survey and just ignored it's results, which point to just look as he was doing something not actual scumhunting like someone already pointed.

Don’t forget to vote for something

##vote Bozo

I am sorry but it's sunny, I am at the beach with family and I won't be around much today.

[BunnyGo]

Why Balki over Bozo?

I still think Bozo is the best choice. Over all that was said yesterday, I didn't like the way he pushed Bo using a very old game, when Bo was scum two games back and I talked about that game more then once and he just ignored it and justified that it was because he didn't play in that game.

He also started a survey and just ignored it's results, which point to just look as he was doing something not actual scumhunting like someone already pointed.

Don’t forget to vote for something

##vote Bozo

I am sorry but it's sunny, I am at the beach with family and I won't be around much today.

Enjoy the beach. That sounds great

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 5.3

No‑Kill (3) - Balki Bartokomous, Chaqa(END), bozotheclown
bozotheclown (2) - BunnyGo, Rdrivera
Balki Bartokomous (1) - damo666

Nobody is set to be killed.

Less than four hours remain.

[BunnyGo]

Even if we no-kill, I think this was a great day!

[BunnyGo]

@damo: you drunk?

@balki: what’re your impressions of the rdr and chaqa slips? Also, where you been bro?

[bozotheclown]

One last question for now @bozo:

Does chaqa historically fake slips?

I do not remember him every faking a town slip as mafia.

How about rdr?

I do not remember rdrivera doing that either. What was his town slip?