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Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:50 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:05 am

I think we should put some pressure on the mafia and have everyone state who they dog-checked N1, obviously without giving the result.

I checked ghug N1.

I don't think we want this, really don't like this. Depending on our behaviour, mafia would have a much easier time to predict who's the dog and I think it's hard to not let that influence the scan your reads.

Like if you suspected someone before and now suddenly don't with that name reveal you've just helped mafia.

Also it's just a coincidence you scanned ghug who was the target of the mafia action, I presume? Naah, I don't like this, not one bit.

Town points for Kak. Scum points for Bozo

This is one of the most useless surveys I have ever seen as it gets no usefull results (scum can easily fake a pat o a dead player like Ghug for example or there are other ways to avoid giving any info to town that I won't tell) and it will give info to scum because some morobs will disclose the result and make the pool smaller.

Bozo ain't a bad player, so ##vote Bozo

bo_sox48 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:08 am

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:46 am

Lfischl is locktown

lolno

!RemindMe 2 weeks

bo_sox48 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:10 am

Breaking ties as scum and hoping someone is as dumb as Chaqa and says “hurr durr you broke a tie you’re obvtown” is a true pro strat, an old favorite of mine. Sometimes I even do it as town just to have that point on my side for a couple days before everyone forgets

That isn't why he's locktown

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:38 am

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:46 am

Lfischl is locktown

I'm assuming someone else has question this by now, but if not, say more?

No.

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:38 am

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:46 am

Lfischl is locktown

I'm assuming someone else has question this by now, but if not, say more?

Mostly because I don't remember why he's locktown, but past me decided he was, and I trust myself.

worcej wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:46 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:00 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:05 am

I think we should put some pressure on the mafia and have everyone state who they dog-checked N1, obviously without giving the result.

I checked ghug N1.

lmao there it is. Town Bozo would have done it preemptively.

FWIW I checked bozo and I do not feel concerned voting for him.

TBF, I think you’re right on the poll/question being a factor of town!bozo, but where I am unsure is why you would think he would do it before the phase…

Bozo surveys are usually pre-emptive, not post-emptive (if that's a word lol)

worcej wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:06 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:37 am

N1 dog checks:

bozo: ghug
Chaqa: bozo
Bonatogether: no check
heartthrob: damo
lfischl: Kakarroto

I checked Chaqa

I hope Eden said "he's not a dog but man does he have a lot of them" lol

lfischl wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:20 pm

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:07 am

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:21 pm

I would support a chaqa wagon, I just want to see bo actually send some messages first

Why would you support a Chaqa wagon?

Also, is this message abobe the message that you were referring to here:

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:53 pm

I forget where the post is but Chaqa is probably the person I have the worst feeling about, Bona is probably town but my gut wants me to say he's scum

Does chaqa have a history of just buddying people?

Yes.

worcej wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:33 pm

lfischl wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:20 pm

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:07 am

Why would you support a Chaqa wagon?

Also, is this message abobe the message that you were referring to here:

Does chaqa have a history of just buddying people?

He’s done it in the past as scum, but chaqa is not someone who is consistent with his game.

I've recently gotten an ADHD diagnosis and I suspect that plays into my inconsistency problems IRL and ingame lol

I should be around on and off all of this phase now, except maybe EoD tomorrow

lfischl wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:20 pm

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:07 am

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:21 pm

I would support a chaqa wagon, I just want to see bo actually send some messages first

Why would you support a Chaqa wagon?

Also, is this message abobe the message that you were referring to here:

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:53 pm

I forget where the post is but Chaqa is probably the person I have the worst feeling about, Bona is probably town but my gut wants me to say he's scum

Does chaqa have a history of just buddying people?

I feel like scum Chaqa is very good at understanding what is the right play to make in most given situations and then acting off that. I would imagine that includes buddying someone if he thought that was ideal.

Why is this your response to my question?

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:43 pm

lfischl wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:20 pm

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:07 am

Why would you support a Chaqa wagon?

Also, is this message abobe the message that you were referring to here:

Does chaqa have a history of just buddying people?

I feel like scum Chaqa is very good at understanding what is the right play to make in most given situations and then acting off that. I would imagine that includes buddying someone if he thought that was ideal.

Why is this your response to my question?

This was after that I think, don't remember why I scumread him probably was just my gut, but I think that he could be buddying me here, not sure though

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:59 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:46 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:00 am

lmao there it is. Town Bozo would have done it preemptively.

FWIW I checked bozo and I do not feel concerned voting for him.

TBF, I think you’re right on the poll/question being a factor of town!bozo, but where I am unsure is why you would think he would do it before the phase…

Bozo surveys are usually pre-emptive, not post-emptive (if that's a word lol)

I would say that in this case, his robot self would know not to preemptively do the survey to guide the kill and would be a mighty fine way to PR hunt.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:50 pm

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:50 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:05 am

I think we should put some pressure on the mafia and have everyone state who they dog-checked N1, obviously without giving the result.

I checked ghug N1.

I don't think we want this, really don't like this. Depending on our behaviour, mafia would have a much easier time to predict who's the dog and I think it's hard to not let that influence the scan your reads.

Like if you suspected someone before and now suddenly don't with that name reveal you've just helped mafia.

Also it's just a coincidence you scanned ghug who was the target of the mafia action, I presume? Naah, I don't like this, not one bit.

Town points for Kak. Scum points for Bozo

This is one of the most useless surveys I have ever seen as it gets no usefull results (scum can easily fake a pat o a dead player like Ghug for example or there are other ways to avoid giving any info to town that I won't tell) and it will give info to scum because some morobs will disclose the result and make the pool smaller.

Bozo ain't a bad player, so ##vote Bozo

This feels more forced than natural to me.

worcej wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:30 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:50 pm

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:50 am

I don't think we want this, really don't like this. Depending on our behaviour, mafia would have a much easier time to predict who's the dog and I think it's hard to not let that influence the scan your reads.

Like if you suspected someone before and now suddenly don't with that name reveal you've just helped mafia.

Also it's just a coincidence you scanned ghug who was the target of the mafia action, I presume? Naah, I don't like this, not one bit.

Town points for Kak. Scum points for Bozo

This is one of the most useless surveys I have ever seen as it gets no usefull results (scum can easily fake a pat o a dead player like Ghug for example or there are other ways to avoid giving any info to town that I won't tell) and it will give info to scum because some morobs will disclose the result and make the pool smaller.

Bozo ain't a bad player, so ##vote Bozo

This feels more forced than natural to me.

Care to explain why? Do you see any benefit from this pool that I can't see or do you agree with me but think I am forcing my vote on him?

people keep saying that shit feels more forced than natural and idk what to make of it - it being said repeatedly does feel forced and not natural

prompted by but not aimed at worcej

N1 dog checks:

bozo: ghug
Chaqa: bozo
Bonatogether: no check
heartthrob: damo
lfischl: Kakarroto
Kakarroto: refuses to participate
bo_sox: rdrivera
celaph: no check
worcej: Chaqa
rdrivera: refuses to participate
damo:

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:13 am

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:10 am

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:28 am

[...]
-) why didn't we have a survey yet? Would there be even a survey that's useful for town?
[...]

[...]
3. what kind of survey

the thing bozo does normally (I think I have it answered in a previous post from lfischl) but don't worry, you wouldn't have known that since it's a meta-thing from bozo

some say you can read bozo's role from the kind of survey he does. I'm not sure I'm 100% on that but some swear on that. It's also a question to get a discussion on so from a total new player, do you think bozo's survey here is useful for town or might it be better for the wolves than the sheep?

Also thanks for answering <3

i still kinda struggle to see how it's rly that useful for town so because of that i kinda feel like it's better for wolves? but not like it leans heavily either direction from my understanding of it tbh. i guess just personally i'm not used to aggregating all this info yet

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:50 pm

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:50 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:05 am

I think we should put some pressure on the mafia and have everyone state who they dog-checked N1, obviously without giving the result.

I checked ghug N1.

I don't think we want this, really don't like this. Depending on our behaviour, mafia would have a much easier time to predict who's the dog and I think it's hard to not let that influence the scan your reads.

Like if you suspected someone before and now suddenly don't with that name reveal you've just helped mafia.

Also it's just a coincidence you scanned ghug who was the target of the mafia action, I presume? Naah, I don't like this, not one bit.

Town points for Kak. Scum points for Bozo

This is one of the most useless surveys I have ever seen as it gets no usefull results (scum can easily fake a pat o a dead player like Ghug for example or there are other ways to avoid giving any info to town that I won't tell) and it will give info to scum because some morobs will disclose the result and make the pool smaller.

Bozo ain't a bad player, so ##vote Bozo

There are 3 mafia, they couldn't all say they checked ghug, and there is risk in accidently claiming a check on the dog without knowing they are the dog. There is little risk of revealing the identity of the dog to the mafia, since the dog can safely claim a fake check, and the dog power is not significant enough to be overly worried about giving away their identity.

Assuming the mafia did not check the dog, they had the choice of claiming a check on ghug, claiming a check on someone who may or not may not be the dog, claiming they did not check anyone, or refusing to answer. If they did check the dog, only one would want to give the real dog as their check.

So, the useful results are:
1. the reaction to the survey
2. the potential for the mafia to fake a check on the real dog without knowing the identity of the dog

celaph wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:49 am

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:07 pm

my only instinct rn is that Bona is town

@Heart, why do you townread Bona?

he was generating a lot of conversation which i'm starting to pick up as generally a town trait. also i feel like a scum wouldn't want to draw so much attention to themselves early on but maybe i'm wrong there