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bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:27 pm

lfischl wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:22 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:21 pm

The delay in damo and lfischl getting on each other's wagon does make it seem like they are the scum pair. I still would prefer lfischl today because he seems to be already pushing me and damo as mafia in preparation of damo flipping scum and a D6 with you and me.

When have I been pushing you chaqa?

I don't understand what you mean about Chaqa. I was saying your post when you switched you vote from me to damo seemed to indicate you think the scum team is me and damo, which explains your vote switch, but also prepares you to vote for me D6 if you and damo are mafia.

lfischl wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:39 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:27 pm

lfischl wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:22 pm

When have I been pushing you chaqa?

I don't understand what you mean about Chaqa. I was saying your post when you switched you vote from me to damo seemed to indicate you think the scum team is me and damo, which explains your vote switch, but also prepares you to vote for me D6 if you and damo are mafia.

shoot I thought that was a chaqa post

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:33 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:27 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:21 pm

The delay in damo and lfischl getting on each other's wagon does make it seem like they are the scum pair. I still would prefer lfischl today because he seems to be already pushing me and damo as mafia in preparation of damo flipping scum and a D6 with you and me.

I see Damo as the common thread between the two scum pairs. If he flips Godfather then it clears me. I'm not really looking to vote Lfischl today.

OK, if you are town, then I think we are in the same position, you think it is damo and lfischl or damo and me, and I think it is lfischl and damo or lfischl and you. Flipping the GF today clears you, but does not keep you from mis-killing me D6.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:59 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:16 pm

Problems with pet results for the three possible pairings

Kak Chaqa - Chaqa's bozo N1 declaration, why not say heart, Kak or ghug?
lfischl Chaqa - as above

Kak lfischl - no problems

I now conclude that Kak lfischl are the scumpair.

Will leave my vote on Kak but can move to lfischl if necessary.

You seem to be ignoring the "problem" that heartthrob said he scanned you N1.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:53 am

, but declared

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:34 am

This reads to me like scum!Bozo realizing he can't get a miskill on Kak today and flipping to backup on Lfischl.

Of course you would say that if you are scum with lfischl.

However, in case you are town, you and lfischl not only followed Kakarroto's vote for me, but declared your certainty that Kakarroto is town, and you tried to hammer me, so I do not see much scum motivation in Kakarroto switching his vote to damo when he did, because if he had just voted end, lfischl would probably have followed and the game would be over. So, since you said you think damo/lfischl is a possible scum team, we can DK lfischl, and maybe he will flip GF and clear you.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:45 am

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:26 pm

revistited possible teams:
[...]

I finally had time to look at this more carefully. One thing I noticed is that you do not seem to be taking into consideration the fact that the mafia received a scan result of someone N1, so in the cases were you list 2 or 3 guesses N1, one of those likely would have been someone they knew was not the doctor as a result of the mafia scan, and therefore not a guess.

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:09 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:53 am

, but declared

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:34 am

This reads to me like scum!Bozo realizing he can't get a miskill on Kak today and flipping to backup on Lfischl.

Of course you would say that if you are scum with lfischl.

However, in case you are town, you and lfischl not only followed Kakarroto's vote for me, but declared your certainty that Kakarroto is town, and you tried to hammer me, so I do not see much scum motivation in Kakarroto switching his vote to damo when he did, because if he had just voted end, lfischl would probably have followed and the game would be over. So, since you said you think damo/lfischl is a possible scum team, we can DK lfischl, and maybe he will flip GF and clear you.

what was the "- but declared" before the quote about? I guess you deleted something you typed up before to react to chaqa?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:21 am

[...]

With chaqa/lfischl, all 3 mafia would have responded to the survey early reporting town scans, but one of those could have been the real scan. Although 2 mafia picking an unknown town for their scan report does not seem like the best way for the mafia to go, I would not rule it out.

With damo/lfischl, heartthrob would have responded first naming teammate damo, then lfischl naming you, which could have been the real scan, and then damo refusing to give a result. Then the mafia would have scanned worcej N2, with damo and lfischl reporting scans of worcej. I agree that damo/lfischl fits better strictly on the dog scan survey results.

As for damo and I as mafia, besides knowing I am town, we would have had to give the N1 NK and a mafia teammate as our N1 scan results, with the third refusing to give a result, therefore not using our real scan result.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:40 am

[...]

I did not want to point it out at the time, but what rdrivera said about the mafia avoiding faking a claim was one of the potential benefits of the survey, so that it could be used later the way I think you are using it. When I try to do the same thing, you not giving your scan results opens up more possibilities, so, assuming you are town, I hope you see what I meant by town players like rdrivera not participating making the survey less useful.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:52 am

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:44 pm

I haven't used the bot in about my last ten games and don't plan to use it in this or the next ones. I was politely asking Eden to give us a official one with which I can work.

Why don't you use the bot?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:12 pm

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:09 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:53 am

, but declared

Of course you would say that if you are scum with lfischl.

However, in case you are town, you and lfischl not only followed Kakarroto's vote for me, but declared your certainty that Kakarroto is town, and you tried to hammer me, so I do not see much scum motivation in Kakarroto switching his vote to damo when he did, because if he had just voted end, lfischl would probably have followed and the game would be over. So, since you said you think damo/lfischl is a possible scum team, we can DK lfischl, and maybe he will flip GF and clear you.

what was the "- but declared" before the quote about? I guess you deleted something you typed up before to react to chaqa?

Somehow I mad a mistake copying, it is part of the message.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:05 pm

##vote damo

##end

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:29 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:05 pm

##vote damo

##end

As far as I know, everyone is voting damo now and we have two end votes, right?

With damo's behaviour today, I'm struggling to see how the lfischl-chaqa team has a higher probability than any team with damo on it, thus making damo absolutely the correct choice today.

If damo is town, I would've expected a much more intense fight from him. Well maybe I'm wrong but that's what I think.

Now, the open question is, do we want to end to see the result? I don't think we give mafia too much of an advantage to ending it a few hours early. But I've been known to overlook a few details sometimes so what do you all think about that?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:05 pm

##vote damo

##end