M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

I don’t think anyone but you is spending time thinking about your survey

Agreed lmao, is there a new one?

There is a new survey, please provide your scum pool, up to 4 players.

Have your surveys EVER caught scum?
Ever?

Just once?

[Chaqa]

Bona is getting scummier and scummier. Problem is being Bona that does not necessarily mean he's scum!

Damo using exclamation points is scum AI

[Chaqa]

I want worcej out today I think, so I won't vote for him til later.

##Vote damo

[heartthrob24909]

is standing out towny or scummy?

towny methinks

explique s'il vous plait

why are town more likely to stand out (or why are scum less likely to stand out)?

i think townies would be less afraid to draw attention to ourselves, but a scum is trying to hide something and would want to be more careful with their words -- could lead to a strategy where they blend more into the shadows, try and be ignored as long as possible

[Chaqa]

Have you played mafia before, heart?

[bo_sox48]

I want worcej out today I think, so I won't vote for him til later.

##Vote damo

I’m unbelievably confident that you’re town and it makes it even weirder that you do things like this

[Chaqa]

I want worcej out today I think, so I won't vote for him til later.

##Vote damo

I’m unbelievably confident that you’re town and it makes it even weirder that you do things like this

If I vote for worcej now, the wagon will balloon and people will go "woe is me there's NO WAY scum wagon would be so large, we must panic and vote out someone else in the last hour!"

So instead I'll come back to worcej when it actually means something.

If I was at all confident webdip as a community could stick to its guns, I would be voting worcej right now.

[lfischl]

It is interesting, at least to me, that everyone I have in my scum pool are scum reading me. That probably means I am missing at least one scum, but I am not sure who that would be.

Maybe lfischl, who like Kakarroto, is holding their vote for late in D3.

Oh I’ve just been hella busy the last couple days, but my scum pool is something like bona worcej heart and then bozo or damo

[bo_sox48]

Instead of being self righteous enough to think your vote is going to matter any differently if you make it with 20 minutes to go, you could force him and his teammates to react to your vote putting him in the lead with half a day until the deadline and potentially expose him more convincingly. You’re just leaving the door open for a teammate that might be bussing him right now, as Bona, for example, is apt to do, to quietly hop off and lose the momentum his wagon has knowing that if he stays on until you are ready to go he’ll be in a more difficult spot.

Likewise, I know your vote on damo is completely meaningless and don’t really feel like pushing a wagon driven into the lead by someone who is openly uncommitted to it so I’m just going to ##VOTE worcej since he’s my second choice and that’s where you’re evidently going to end up anyway.

[lfischl]

It is interesting, at least to me, that everyone I have in my scum pool are scum reading me. That probably means I am missing at least one scum, but I am not sure who that would be.

Maybe lfischl, who like Kakarroto, is holding their vote for late in D3.

Oh I’ve just been hella busy the last couple days, but my scum pool is something like bona worcej heart and then bozo or damo

Shoot not worcej sorry heart bona bozo damo, In that order

[heartthrob24909]

Have you played mafia before, heart?

only once

[Bonatogether]

I am going to fill in some information for the missing players based on what they said so far D3. Anyone can repost this if they want to update their scum pool. The posts below are the sources for what I have added.

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, Chaqa, damo, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej)
lfischl: (worcej, heartthrob)

With only one mis-kill left, I think it would be a good idea to have everyone go on record with their scum pool, up to 4:

bozo: Bonatogether, Chaqa, damo, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej

1. Chaqa or damo but not both, because of this feud
2. worcej, because i have a foggier idea of where they stand compared to some others like bona which i'm more confident about being town
3. Even though I place trust in bozotheclown and his survey i could be swayed on him bc of how the celaph vote turned out, even though i voted for celaph too.
4. bo_sox strikes me as aggressive but not necessarily mafia, lol.
5. I think that leaves Kak and lfisch

i'm gonna brainstorm this Q to try and come up with a solid guess of 4 but that's where my head is at in general

I've been looking at the surviving ones and thinking about it, the most mafia-ness comes currently from worcej. I'm not so sure about bozo, bo has scratched my radar too. I'm still not sure if that isn't just too easy of a mafia team.

I'm getting strange vibes from heartthrob but celaph was convinced they are town, so maybe I just take up some wrong stuff (or maybe I shouldn't trust too much in dead town reads).

Strangely enough, I see Chaqa and damo on the same level, they could be mafia, but right now I wouldn't be able to point it out.

Is bona actually my top candidate for town? I can't believe it, but after RD's death, yeah, seems so. Even with the same pattern of being the driving force for two town ejections, which if this continues is a sign for maf bona, but town bona was in the past also responsible for one or two miss-ejections.

I really should have a reread and a focussed look on lfischl. Currently they are in a fog area between heartthrob and bona, but I couldn't even vaguely say where.

Kakarroto
lfischl
Bonatogether
heartthrob24909
bo_sox47
worcej
damo666
bozotheclown

This is roughly where I'm at

would move fisch down but basically agree

i would be fine with either a bozo or worcej vote

##vote worcej for competitiveness

I would be good with this as well, or heart

i townread bozo

[heartthrob24909]

Maybe lfischl, who like Kakarroto, is holding their vote for late in D3.

Oh I’ve just been hella busy the last couple days, but my scum pool is something like bona worcej heart and then bozo or damo

Shoot not worcej sorry heart bona bozo damo, In that order

now why am i in this

[Bonatogether]

It is interesting, at least to me, that everyone I have in my scum pool are scum reading me. That probably means I am missing at least one scum, but I am not sure who that would be.

i don't follow

[Bonatogether]

towny methinks

explique s'il vous plait

why are town more likely to stand out (or why are scum less likely to stand out)?

i think townies would be less afraid to draw attention to ourselves, but a scum is trying to hide something and would want to be more careful with their words -- could lead to a strategy where they blend more into the shadows, try and be ignored as long as possible

if you apply that to this game, what do you get? interested to see how you reason it through

[bozotheclown]

Agreed lmao, is there a new one?

There is a new survey, please provide your scum pool, up to 4 players.

Have your surveys EVER caught scum?
Ever?

Just once?

The scum pool survey has proven useful in the past. For example, in M73 I did the same survey asking for a scum pool of 4 with 2 mafia remaining, and here were the results:

Here are the final results from the scum suspect survey:

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej
Jamie: BusinessLamp, Sabi, worcej, RHK
RHK: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, Sabi, rdrivera
Bonatogether: BusinessLamp, bozo, RHK, rdrivera
Sabi: BusinessLamp, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
Chaqa: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, rdrivera, worcej
brainbomb: PE, Bona, Fluminator, Sabi
PE: Fluminator, RHK, worcej, rdrivera
rdrivera: Fluminator, Sabi, RHK, BusinessLamp
BusinessLamp: Chaqa, Sabi, Fluminator, Bona
pyxxy: Fluminator, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
Fluminator: RHK, Sabi, worcej, pyxxy
worcej: Sabi, Fluminator, BusinessLamp, brainbomb

BusinessLamp: 8
Fluminator: 8
RHK: 8
Sabi: 8
worcej: 7
rdrivera: 6
Bonatogether: 2
bozo: 1
brainbomb: 1
Chaqa: 1
PE: 1
pyxxy: 1
Jamie: 0

Fluminator and worcej were the remaining mafia in that game, so even though there were some town with the same level of suspicion, in that case the survey showed meaningful results. I always list the results in the order of response, so in M73 Fluminator and worcej being the last to respond also turned out to be scum indicative.

Typically, though, at least one mafia is well hidden, and in M73, Fluminator and worcej were both subs and were suspicious by default for that reason.

[damo666]

Bona is getting scummier and scummier. Problem is being Bona that does not necessarily mean he's scum!

Damo using exclamation points is scum AI

???!!!!!!

[damo666]

I want worcej out today I think, so I won't vote for him til later.

##Vote damo

LOL

[damo666]

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, Chaqa, damo, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej)
lfischl: (worcej, heartthrob)

Here is the tabulated result for what I have so far.
damo: 7
worcej: 6
bozo: 4
Chaqa: 4
Bonatogether: 3
bo_sox: 2
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

probably indicates scum are three from {bo, heart, Kak, fish}

[damo666]

towny methinks

explique s'il vous plait

why are town more likely to stand out (or why are scum less likely to stand out)?

i think townies would be less afraid to draw attention to ourselves, but a scum is trying to hide something and would want to be more careful with their words -- could lead to a strategy where they blend more into the shadows, try and be ignored as long as possible

a tad overthink?