M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#801 Post by damo666 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:21 pm

Still not particularly scumreading anyone. I maintain Chaqa is a good info flip.

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#802 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:32 pm

info flips are bad on principle
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#803 Post by damo666 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:07 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:32 pm
info flips are bad on principle
Why?

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#804 Post by bo_sox48 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:59 pm

Who wants to ##VOTE damo

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#805 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:05 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:07 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:32 pm
info flips are bad on principle
Why?
you could try to kill scum instead
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#806 Post by bo_sox48 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:26 pm

I like you bona

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#807 Post by damo666 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:44 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:05 pm
damo666 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:07 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:32 pm
info flips are bad on principle
Why?
you could try to kill scum instead
Why can't Chaqa be scum?

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#808 Post by damo666 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:44 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:59 pm
Who wants to ##VOTE damo
You

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#809 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:04 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:44 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:05 pm
damo666 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:07 pm


Why?
you could try to kill scum instead
Why can't Chaqa be scum?
he could be

but saying 'killing chaqa gives us info' gives you nothing because you don't learn who's voting to save him and who's actually scum reading him, for example. i'm not opposed to killing chaqa SO LONG AS there's an actual arguable case
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#810 Post by bo_sox48 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:16 pm

I am probably going to miss the deadline and I am not especially inclined to change my vote

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#811 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:44 pm

celaph wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:54 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:39 pm
bozo givith cringe reasoning

are not the scum more likely to lie (with literally no blowback possibility) versus singling themselves out by refusing to answer
Bona's spot on here.
I disagree - the ones protesting most of all strike me as more likely scum because it’s a consistent ~vibe~ in this community to protect PRs as if they are a godsend and not risk anything for additional information.

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#812 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:45 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:38 am
worcej wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:30 am
lfischl wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:26 am


Why do you think the survey is valuable?
It could be valuable and it isn't costing us anything of merit. Bona dismisses the fake pets inserted by scum to mean nothing, but they could very easily be their downfall if they fucked up their claims.

Several people are claiming it shows who we think could be a PR, but I fall in the camp of the fact scum don't give a fuck who the sheep think are a PR - they're going to go with their own information gathering attempts. Let's say we all ended up petting the same person - does that mean they will kill there for sure? Fuck no it doesn't.
call me when we catch any scum with this

fuck yeah it means that everyone thought that this guy was pr lmao
Again - who cares who we think is a PR?

I think Chaqa is a PR - does that move your needle at all?

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#813 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:47 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:39 am
worcej wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:37 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:17 am


the cost is medium
the benefits are nil

i do not understand why this is a sticking point
And here is why we're different - it's actually this:

the cost is nil
the benefits are medium

Town should want to build upon information to develop potential connections and facts for future flips. Wanting to limit any information gathering is inherently scummy.
what information have we gained

riddle me this
You gain nothing now - the advantage comes as the game progresses, similar to VCA.

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#814 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:49 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:46 pm

are you actually nuts? what other possibility is there for scum to use the info we have so generously proffered up?

literally no one said their scan until you asked
Stating our scan does not tell the mafia anything about who the dog is.
IT LITERALLY TELLS YOU WHO EACH PLAYER THOUGHT WAS PR

i swear to god this is not fucking hard to understand
WHY IS THAT INFORMATION VALUABLE!?!

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#815 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:50 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:54 pm
im mad
Good - so what dog did you pet?

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#816 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:51 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:59 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:58 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:55 pm

if you think i'm scum, vote me

no chickenshit shading
Unfortunately I only have one vote today.
lame ass mfer
I thought this was clever as fuck from bozo lol

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#817 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:55 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:20 pm
Apologies for lack of engagement, it's been a pretty busy time for me.

The main discussion point at the moment seems to be the survey. The main advantage I can see is that it will get progressively more uncomfortable for scum. The dog itself has to make it up (not that's a problem of itself and anybody finding the dog has to invent subsequently (again not a problem). The problem is I don't see how we gain and I am worried that there are so many antis, there may be a downside I cannot see for myself. I trust rdr and for that reason I am not going to participate.

I don't think Bozo has done this maliciously and suspect the votes on him are misplaced.
This is a fair take/analysis of the situation. The ones being stubborn about the survey are making any value impossible to get down the road.

Considering, if an objector is town, that a substantial amount of their team has already participated at this point, they should just participate and actually try to cooperate versus being a stick in the mud at this point.

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#818 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:56 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:32 pm
info flips are bad on principle
even worse in smaller games.
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#819 Post by worcej » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:58 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:16 pm
I am probably going to miss the deadline and I am not especially inclined to change my vote
This feels more contrived than anything…

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#820 Post by bo_sox48 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:01 pm

I’m at the beach and it’s 45 degrees and windy, my entire life is contrived

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