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The guy may not be a household name, but he did something really, really big.

possibly an architect?

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:08 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:11 pm

So, it's a European non royal Roman Catholic native speaker of a Romance language who is some sort of military leader oft portrayed with a sword born 1600- 1675ish and died after 1690 but not on Jamie's famous list.

I think the military bit is either misleading or we are dealing with an obscurity.

I'm flummoxed.

Check your math. Where did you get 1675?

The military part was not misleading. Asking after royalty was a waste.

editing what damo has to:
European non royal Roman Catholic native speaker of a Romance language who is some sort of military leader oft portrayed with a sword but not on Jamie's famous list.

architect probably isn't it -> sword thing

non-royal military leader suggests to me a rebel leader of some sort.

googling and wikipedia doesn't turn up any viable candidates from spain, france, or portugal - italy seems too confused at this time to have anyone

wait bruh damo the entire 1500s are in play

i misunderstood

1. Dead
2. Male man
3. European
4. Couldn't have had a driving license
5. Oft' been portrayed with a sword (which may or may not have been a sabre)
6. A Roman Catholic
7. Not an entertainer
8. Real actual person
9. Born after 1st January 1500
10. Not a native English speaker
11. Died of natural causes (although apparently not all sources agree on this)
12. A military commander or officer
13. Born before 1st January 1700
14. Born after 31st December 1599
15. Not on this list https://www.thefamouspeople.com/17th-ce ... eaders.php
16. Native speaker of a Romance language
17. Died after 1690
18. Not of royal lineage.
19. Did not participate in the 9 Years War

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:32 am

wait bruh damo the entire 1500s are in play

No . . .

See 14

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:21 am

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:28 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:54 pm

Was he some kind of military commander or officer?

Because the question didn't leave much room for royalty, who by this period of European history weren't often commanders

Uh, I mean, that's wrong. Lots of the people in the list I posted were both military leaders and members of their country's royal family.

I co-asked the question not to eliminate royalty but non-royalty.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:21 am

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:28 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:54 pm

Was he some kind of military commander or officer?

Because the question didn't leave much room for royalty, who by this period of European history weren't often commanders

Uh, I mean, that's wrong. Lots of the people in the list I posted were both military leaders and members of their country's royal family.

Just to elaborate, on the list that I linked to, for example, four of the first 10 people listed are royalty who were also prominent military commanders:

#3 Gustavus Adolphus
#7 Philippe II, Prince Regent of France
#8 Prince Rupert of the Rhine
#10 Prince Eugene of Savoy

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:31 am

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:08 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:11 pm

So, it's a European non royal Roman Catholic native speaker of a Romance language who is some sort of military leader oft portrayed with a sword born 1600- 1675ish and died after 1690 but not on Jamie's famous list.

I think the military bit is either misleading or we are dealing with an obscurity.

I'm flummoxed.

Check your math. Where did you get 1675?

The military part was not misleading. Asking after royalty was a waste.

editing what damo has to:
European non royal Roman Catholic native speaker of a Romance language who is some sort of military leader oft portrayed with a sword but not on Jamie's famous list.

architect probably isn't it -> sword thing

non-royal military leader suggests to me a rebel leader of some sort.

googling and wikipedia doesn't turn up any viable candidates from spain, france, or portugal - italy seems too confused at this time to have anyone

What about Holy Roman Empire?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:02 am

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:31 am

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:08 pm

Check your math. Where did you get 1675?

The military part was not misleading. Asking after royalty was a waste.

editing what damo has to:
European non royal Roman Catholic native speaker of a Romance language who is some sort of military leader oft portrayed with a sword but not on Jamie's famous list.

architect probably isn't it -> sword thing

non-royal military leader suggests to me a rebel leader of some sort.

googling and wikipedia doesn't turn up any viable candidates from spain, france, or portugal - italy seems too confused at this time to have anyone

What about Holy Roman Empire?

did any of them primarily speak a Romance language? Perhaps in Belgium (nothing turns up) or Switzerland (peasant revolt of 1653 has some people of note, but their deaths seem uncontroversial

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:43 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:02 am

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:31 am

editing what damo has to:
European non royal Roman Catholic native speaker of a Romance language who is some sort of military leader oft portrayed with a sword but not on Jamie's famous list.

architect probably isn't it -> sword thing

non-royal military leader suggests to me a rebel leader of some sort.

googling and wikipedia doesn't turn up any viable candidates from spain, france, or portugal - italy seems too confused at this time to have anyone

What about Holy Roman Empire?

did any of them primarily speak a Romance language? Perhaps in Belgium (nothing turns up) or Switzerland (peasant revolt of 1653 has some people of note, but their deaths seem uncontroversial

Good point Bona.

In the 1600's the capital of the Holy Roman Empire was Frankfurt and most of its commanders would have spoken German.

Wasn't what is now Northern Italy part of HRE? Wouldn't they have spoken a Latin based lingo. Not that I can identify any candidates.


I think we need a clue.

I can't even think of a decent 20th question. Possibilities might be:

French?
Iberian?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:18 pm

Wasn't what is now Northern Italy part of HRE? Wouldn't they have spoken a Latin based lingo. Not that I can identify any candidates.


I think we need a clue.

I can't even think of a decent 20th question. Possibilities might be:

French?
Iberian?

Was this person ever in a film? Could be a nice question.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:18 pm

Wasn't what is now Northern Italy part of HRE? Wouldn't they have spoken a Latin based lingo. Not that I can identify any candidates.

Nearly all of that territory was lost by the early 1600s.

Hamish wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:19 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:18 pm

Wasn't what is now Northern Italy part of HRE? Wouldn't they have spoken a Latin based lingo. Not that I can identify any candidates.


I think we need a clue.

I can't even think of a decent 20th question. Possibilities might be:

French?
Iberian?

Was this person ever in a film? Could be a nice question.

It will also be our 20th and final question.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:27 pm

Hamish wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:19 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:18 pm

Wasn't what is now Northern Italy part of HRE? Wouldn't they have spoken a Latin based lingo. Not that I can identify any candidates.


I think we need a clue.

I can't even think of a decent 20th question. Possibilities might be:

French?
Iberian?

Was this person ever in a film? Could be a nice question.

It will also be our 20th and final question.

I wasn't asking... yet. It was just a proposal.

JECE wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:00 am

The guy may not be a household name, but he did something really, really big.

This is what got me thinking. If it's really, really big, someone must have made a film, right?

narrowing down year of death might be a good move

1720 seems a reasonable middle guess