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bo_sox48 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:34 pm

Regardless we need a third wagon. Letting four people determine in the first two hours of the day who we are killing today is stupid. Similarly, we should stop holding out votes out. Wolfu obviously feels strongly about Besharam and should place a vote there. I obviously feel like rdrivera is scum and should place a vote there. The mechanics of voting in this game are scaring me out of voting and I'm probably not the only one, but those mechanics are letting scum drive things and I'm more scared of that than I am of allowing a speed hammer when it really makes no sense to plan for one anyway.

##VOTE rdrivera

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:40 pm

bo_sox48 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:35 pm

I'll add that while I don't think Besharam is scum, going from top poster to bottom poster is the wrong trend.

All their friends are dead

Except...me and Bona are still alive.

Sabi didn't really acknowledge the question I asked about who they would vote if Bona flips scum.

The problem is I do still believe they're just busy and done with the game. Trying to get Neon not to suicide-by-vengeful would have to be such a ballsy scum play. Idk.

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:41 pm

in particular demon's whole spiel about "there is pocketing going on here" wrt me/sabi/neon was totally disconnected from reality but sabi doesn't seem that concerned with it

seems more like an intentional attempt to distance than anything, i've done similar before

hope being i think him flipping scum would make us townread sabi

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm

realistically i see two worlds:

1. sabi has been lolbussing damo since the early game and now considers him basically outed and is just going for that. Riot pointed out sabi's conclusions on damo early in the game didn't really make sense at all, damo's 180 on demon is really weird, i think a scumteam would probably want to distance from damo

2. sabi is trying to shield bona and go for the win. unlike damo sabi didn't really push bona, they did on day 1 but for non-viable reasons and then they backed off and were fencesitty with their read and were all too happy to follow me on calling bona town. this is in addition to two now confirmed scum tryin to save bona at the end of day 1 where i wouldn't see why they'd have reason to switch off

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:20 pm

bona's attempts at vote analysis on damo ultimately feel kind of half baked

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:53 pm

On mobile . How long to EoD pls

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm

bo_sox48 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:34 pm

Regardless we need a third wagon. Letting four people determine in the first two hours of the day who we are killing today is stupid. Similarly, we should stop holding out votes out. Wolfu obviously feels strongly about Besharam and should place a vote there. I obviously feel like rdrivera is scum and should place a vote there. The mechanics of voting in this game are scaring me out of voting and I'm probably not the only one, but those mechanics are letting scum drive things and I'm more scared of that than I am of allowing a speed hammer when it really makes no sense to plan for one anyway.

##VOTE rdrivera

@bo
If rdr is scum, was he trying to get a miskill on Bona D1?
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... rivera2005

Also I screwed up the hammer number again, it's 5 not 4, right?

Considering Ike showing up to vote to hammer a wagon would be an instant scumslip, it's really just me bo and wolfu.

So I'm going to try and follow your lead bo and

##VOTE bona

because that's where my mind is after >1 day of thinking. But I have a slow day at work today so I'll be online and reading the thread and thinking more.

BesharamSabi wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:21 pm

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm

realistically i see two worlds:

1. sabi has been lolbussing damo since the early game and now considers him basically outed and is just going for that. Riot pointed out sabi's conclusions on damo early in the game didn't really make sense at all, damo's 180 on demon is really weird, i think a scumteam would probably want to distance from damo

2. sabi is trying to shield bona and go for the win. unlike damo sabi didn't really push bona, they did on day 1 but for non-viable reasons and then they backed off and were fencesitty with their read and were all too happy to follow me on calling bona town. this is in addition to two now confirmed scum tryin to save bona at the end of day 1 where i wouldn't see why they'd have reason to switch off

For number one, Gira you have seen me wolf enough at this point to know I Dont have a bussing meta as scum. I am anti bussing.

And two I thought Bona was better D2 because he felt like his typical self. It's all meta and vibes and I wasn't going to explain it like I don't explain why I tr brad and Co.

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am

BesharamSabi - white knighting their new people again. seriously detracts from any attempt to read wolfu. too tired atm to say something smart but i feel like the repeated attempts to dismiss people questioning wolfu just looks bad but because it's sabi, who knows about alignment.

this is such an awful read

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am

DemonRHK - didn't really do a lot? rereading his d1, not sure what he thought. voted me when i said that most of the game was on vanity wagons - easy jump? nearly ended there but switched off onto worcej.
Rumi Tobari - feels similar. i have no idea how they'd play scum so it's hard for me to make a distinction - admittedly no towny pureness like last game, but it's very hard to do that on game 2, so a topic of thought.

like...this just kinda feels informed. the reasons are so hesitant like he won't commit to pushing either of them

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:11 pm

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am

BesharamSabi - white knighting their new people again. seriously detracts from any attempt to read wolfu. too tired atm to say something smart but i feel like the repeated attempts to dismiss people questioning wolfu just looks bad but because it's sabi, who knows about alignment.

this is such an awful read

is it wrong?

bo_sox48 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:19 pm

Bona voting for a PR claimant at EOD1 when there is no chance of him getting flipped that he has no reason not to believe if he is mafia is a serious towntell, but it's one that could have been cleverly manufactured. The people voting Bona should be aware of this and have some evidence that it is manufactured if they intend to justify that vote imo.

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:19 pm

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am

DemonRHK - didn't really do a lot? rereading his d1, not sure what he thought. voted me when i said that most of the game was on vanity wagons - easy jump? nearly ended there but switched off onto worcej.
Rumi Tobari - feels similar. i have no idea how they'd play scum so it's hard for me to make a distinction - admittedly no towny pureness like last game, but it's very hard to do that on game 2, so a topic of thought.

like...this just kinda feels informed. the reasons are so hesitant like he won't commit to pushing either of them

this is such a bad faith description - there's no reason i need super confident reads on d2.

if i got them right d2, you'd be claiming it's evidence of TMI and i should be voted anyways

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:37 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:11 pm

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 pm

this is such an awful read

is it wrong?

it literally avoids taking any sort of definitive stance, yes

it's fancy words dressing up a non-read that is just summarizing play