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Re: M76 - Dungeons and Dragons - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2721 Post by pyxxy » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:34 pm
Regardless we need a third wagon. Letting four people determine in the first two hours of the day who we are killing today is stupid. Similarly, we should stop holding out votes out. Wolfu obviously feels strongly about Besharam and should place a vote there. I obviously feel like rdrivera is scum and should place a vote there. The mechanics of voting in this game are scaring me out of voting and I'm probably not the only one, but those mechanics are letting scum drive things and I'm more scared of that than I am of allowing a speed hammer when it really makes no sense to plan for one anyway.

##VOTE rdrivera
@bo
If rdr is scum, was he trying to get a miskill on Bona D1?
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... rivera2005

Also I screwed up the hammer number again, it's 5 not 4, right?

Considering Ike showing up to vote to hammer a wagon would be an instant scumslip, it's really just me bo and wolfu.

So I'm going to try and follow your lead bo and

##VOTE bona

because that's where my mind is after >1 day of thinking. But I have a slow day at work today so I'll be online and reading the thread and thinking more.

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#2722 Post by wolfu » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:53 pm

bona snipes at sabi for shieldig people a ton

but i'm literally not sure he has ever attempted to solve sabi's alignment this game even once - the most he does is say sabi looks bad on night 2 but then day 3 happens and it all gets swept under the ug

and for two people who know each other and are friends that's


really weird???????

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#2723 Post by wolfu » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:55 pm

here and not hammering to end the day but am fine with voting bona
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#2724 Post by BesharamSabi » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:18 pm

pyxxy wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:40 pm
bo_sox48 wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:35 pm
I'll add that while I don't think Besharam is scum, going from top poster to bottom poster is the wrong trend.
All their friends are dead :cry:

Except...me and Bona are still alive. :?

Sabi didn't really acknowledge the question I asked about who they would vote if Bona flips scum.

The problem is I do still believe they're just busy and done with the game. Trying to get Neon not to suicide-by-vengeful would have to be such a ballsy scum play. Idk.
I don't know who I would vote if Bona flips scum.

I will just sheep the consensus if I'm being honest.

I am busy as you know if you didn't bail this weekend :P
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#2725 Post by BesharamSabi » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:19 pm

wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:41 pm
in particular demon's whole spiel about "there is pocketing going on here" wrt me/sabi/neon was totally disconnected from reality but sabi doesn't seem that concerned with it

seems more like an intentional attempt to distance than anything, i've done similar before

hope being i think him flipping scum would make us townread sabi
Uhhh I was extremely upset about the pocketing/shield comments. What in revisionism is this shit.

Fmpov it didn't seem like I was shielding you and everyone was like omg u are.

Did you forget that?

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#2726 Post by BesharamSabi » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:21 pm

wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm
realistically i see two worlds:

1. sabi has been lolbussing damo since the early game and now considers him basically outed and is just going for that. Riot pointed out sabi's conclusions on damo early in the game didn't really make sense at all, damo's 180 on demon is really weird, i think a scumteam would probably want to distance from damo

2. sabi is trying to shield bona and go for the win. unlike damo sabi didn't really push bona, they did on day 1 but for non-viable reasons and then they backed off and were fencesitty with their read and were all too happy to follow me on calling bona town. this is in addition to two now confirmed scum tryin to save bona at the end of day 1 where i wouldn't see why they'd have reason to switch off
For number one, Gira you have seen me wolf enough at this point to know I Dont have a bussing meta as scum. I am anti bussing.

And two I thought Bona was better D2 because he felt like his typical self. It's all meta and vibes and I wasn't going to explain it like I don't explain why I tr brad and Co.

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#2727 Post by BesharamSabi » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:22 pm

Any other questions. Yall have me for limited time

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#2728 Post by damo666 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:31 pm

wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:20 pm
bona's attempts at vote analysis on damo ultimately feel kind of half baked
It was. Will respond to it shortly.

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#2729 Post by damo666 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:53 pm

On mobile . How long to EoD pls

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#2730 Post by BesharamSabi » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:01 pm

damo666 wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:53 pm
On mobile . How long to EoD pls
3 hours

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#2731 Post by damo666 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:12 pm

Thanks

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#2732 Post by bo_sox48 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:24 pm

pyxxy wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm
bo_sox48 wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:34 pm
Regardless we need a third wagon. Letting four people determine in the first two hours of the day who we are killing today is stupid. Similarly, we should stop holding out votes out. Wolfu obviously feels strongly about Besharam and should place a vote there. I obviously feel like rdrivera is scum and should place a vote there. The mechanics of voting in this game are scaring me out of voting and I'm probably not the only one, but those mechanics are letting scum drive things and I'm more scared of that than I am of allowing a speed hammer when it really makes no sense to plan for one anyway.

##VOTE rdrivera
@bo
If rdr is scum, was he trying to get a miskill on Bona D1?
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... rivera2005

Also I screwed up the hammer number again, it's 5 not 4, right?

Considering Ike showing up to vote to hammer a wagon would be an instant scumslip, it's really just me bo and wolfu.

So I'm going to try and follow your lead bo and

##VOTE bona

because that's where my mind is after >1 day of thinking. But I have a slow day at work today so I'll be online and reading the thread and thinking more.
My supposition is that rdr had no idea what was happening and needed to drop a vote, but maybe? I'm not getting much from that other than a lurker lurking.

If Bona is scum, that vote and his persistence on that wagon through EOD1 even when it got close and he could have easily stayed silent without raising eyebrows would be kinda townish.
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#2733 Post by wolfu » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:55 pm

BesharamSabi wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:21 pm
wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm
realistically i see two worlds:

1. sabi has been lolbussing damo since the early game and now considers him basically outed and is just going for that. Riot pointed out sabi's conclusions on damo early in the game didn't really make sense at all, damo's 180 on demon is really weird, i think a scumteam would probably want to distance from damo

2. sabi is trying to shield bona and go for the win. unlike damo sabi didn't really push bona, they did on day 1 but for non-viable reasons and then they backed off and were fencesitty with their read and were all too happy to follow me on calling bona town. this is in addition to two now confirmed scum tryin to save bona at the end of day 1 where i wouldn't see why they'd have reason to switch off
For number one, Gira you have seen me wolf enough at this point to know I Dont have a bussing meta as scum. I am anti bussing.

And two I thought Bona was better D2 because he felt like his typical self. It's all meta and vibes and I wasn't going to explain it like I don't explain why I tr brad and Co.
i don't think this meaningfully addresses my concerns and it's almost splitting hairs over my worldbuilding rather than dismissing the notion of why i think you're scum. also never seen anyone claim to be anti-bussing that didn't turn out to be a lie or a half truth, so. i don't really care. i think you'd bus if the situation favored it tactically but i'm not sure that's what's going on and is not the primary reason i think you're mafia obv

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#2734 Post by Bonatogether » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:11 pm

wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am
BesharamSabi - white knighting their new people again. seriously detracts from any attempt to read wolfu. too tired atm to say something smart but i feel like the repeated attempts to dismiss people questioning wolfu just looks bad but because it's sabi, who knows about alignment.
this is such an awful read
is it wrong?

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#2735 Post by Bonatogether » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:19 pm

wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am
DemonRHK - didn't really do a lot? rereading his d1, not sure what he thought. voted me when i said that most of the game was on vanity wagons - easy jump? nearly ended there but switched off onto worcej.
Rumi Tobari - feels similar. i have no idea how they'd play scum so it's hard for me to make a distinction - admittedly no towny pureness like last game, but it's very hard to do that on game 2, so a topic of thought.
like...this just kinda feels informed. the reasons are so hesitant like he won't commit to pushing either of them
this is such a bad faith description - there's no reason i need super confident reads on d2.

if i got them right d2, you'd be claiming it's evidence of TMI and i should be voted anyways

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#2736 Post by wolfu » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:37 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:11 pm
wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am
BesharamSabi - white knighting their new people again. seriously detracts from any attempt to read wolfu. too tired atm to say something smart but i feel like the repeated attempts to dismiss people questioning wolfu just looks bad but because it's sabi, who knows about alignment.
this is such an awful read
is it wrong?
it literally avoids taking any sort of definitive stance, yes

it's fancy words dressing up a non-read that is just summarizing play

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#2737 Post by rdrivera2005 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:38 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:19 pm
Bona voting for a PR claimant at EOD1 when there is no chance of him getting flipped that he has no reason not to believe if he is mafia is a serious towntell, but it's one that could have been cleverly manufactured. The people voting Bona should be aware of this and have some evidence that it is manufactured if they intend to justify that vote imo.
I don't understand that vote either as town or scum. The usual move here as either alignment was to vote his counterwagon as no one would suspect it. The only explanation is all the scumteam was already voting Worcej, which will point to you or Pyxxy.

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#2738 Post by wolfu » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:38 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:19 pm
wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:23 am
DemonRHK - didn't really do a lot? rereading his d1, not sure what he thought. voted me when i said that most of the game was on vanity wagons - easy jump? nearly ended there but switched off onto worcej.
Rumi Tobari - feels similar. i have no idea how they'd play scum so it's hard for me to make a distinction - admittedly no towny pureness like last game, but it's very hard to do that on game 2, so a topic of thought.
like...this just kinda feels informed. the reasons are so hesitant like he won't commit to pushing either of them
this is such a bad faith description - there's no reason i need super confident reads on d2.

if i got them right d2, you'd be claiming it's evidence of TMI and i should be voted anyways
well yes, generally speaking when someone is shading mafia but makes no meaningful effort to pressure them i assume that is a consequence of an informed perspective, wildly enough

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#2739 Post by Bonatogether » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:46 pm

wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:37 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:11 pm
wolfu wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 pm


this is such an awful read
is it wrong?
it literally avoids taking any sort of definitive stance, yes

it's fancy words dressing up a non-read that is just summarizing play
it's literally not wrong you dumbass.

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#2740 Post by BesharamSabi » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:47 pm

I have to go to my interview. Glglgl

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