Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:52 pm
You fort you hadn't?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:43 pmIs there a lion here?
I didn't think I stepped into a fort...
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You fort you hadn't?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:43 pmIs there a lion here?
I didn't think I stepped into a fort...
Not realy. He awarded me a gold star for pointing out 5 - 3 = 2.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:47 pmHas Bob addressed the thing last night where he didn't know how many scum were in the game?
He's only posted once today I notice.
This is literally the reason to do an info flip on TFB.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:58 pmI am not the best fan of flipping someone for pure info unless it provides or could provide crucial information that affects gamestate a lot.
No what I'm trying to do is get you to come out and say which reads hinge on me being town or scum and why. You seem very interested in making this flip happen but very disinterested in speculating as to what it means and I want to know not just why you're disinterested, but also how your read of the game changes based on how I flip.Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:55 pmWhy are you being so dense?TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:53 pmGreat and if you flip me and I am scum what does it tell you about the wagons? If I am town what does it tell you? If you're going to make these arguments you need to be able to answer those questions now otherwise you can't justify the flip.Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:33 pm
I've already said the reason why - it gives us info about the Day 2 wagons and specifically if celaph was being bussed to protect TFB.
If that's true, by limiting our options to players like HR, Goldie, Maniac, Vecna, etc. we may be allowing 2-3 scum to go completely under the radar. I don't have a list of players on the celaph wagon I think are bussers necessarily, and that's the speculation I don't really feel like doing, as it's a black hole of wasted time and effort if we aren't gonna flip TFB.
I didn't think I had to explicitly spell all this out for you guys
If you flip scum it tells me that scum were bussing celaph to protect you, meaning scum is probably on your wagon.
If you're town it confirms scum is probably in the pool of players we're looking at.
I think you're town, so I'm fine just assumign the latter if it comes down to it, but I know I've bussed teammates before to gain towncred so I'm wary of it having happened here.
I know I'm town - as was Bozo.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:00 pmNo what I'm trying to do is get you to come out and say which reads hinge on me being town or scum and why. You seem very interested in making this flip happen but very disinterested in speculating as to what it means and I want to know not just why you're disinterested, but also how your read of the game changes based on how I flip.Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:55 pmWhy are you being so dense?TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:53 pm
Great and if you flip me and I am scum what does it tell you about the wagons? If I am town what does it tell you? If you're going to make these arguments you need to be able to answer those questions now otherwise you can't justify the flip.
If you flip scum it tells me that scum were bussing celaph to protect you, meaning scum is probably on your wagon.
If you're town it confirms scum is probably in the pool of players we're looking at.
I think you're town, so I'm fine just assumign the latter if it comes down to it, but I know I've bussed teammates before to gain towncred so I'm wary of it having happened here.
I'm not trying to argue with you over whether I'm town or scum. That's something I'm happy to re-litigate in another post.
What I'm trying to get here is given this info flip you want to run , what does it mean for PARTICULAR READS on PARTICULAR PLAYERS if the experiment ends either of two ways in your mind beyond the sophomoric "if you're scum, scum bussed celaph to protect you" which anyone could infer.
We know at least 2 of the 5 mafia were on me. Do you think 3 bussed celaph to save scum!me there? Phrased another way, if we assume I'm scum in this hypothetical, do you think it was a 2-1 split of non-celaph non-me scum on celaph? A 2-1 split voting for me that got overpowered by a town rush? A 3-0 split on me (can't be a 3-0 the other way because Durga voted for me and is known scum)?
If we assume there is scum on celaph's wagon and they bussed him to save me, who do you think they are and why? These are all important questions to know and have answers to written down somewhere before an info flip occurs.
0-1TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:02 pmOh and one other question I forgot. If I am town, how many scum do you think bussed celaph?
Excellent. And if I'm town do you believe any of those three would be scum?Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:04 pmI know I'm town - as was Bozo.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:00 pmNo what I'm trying to do is get you to come out and say which reads hinge on me being town or scum and why. You seem very interested in making this flip happen but very disinterested in speculating as to what it means and I want to know not just why you're disinterested, but also how your read of the game changes based on how I flip.Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:55 pm
Why are you being so dense?
If you flip scum it tells me that scum were bussing celaph to protect you, meaning scum is probably on your wagon.
If you're town it confirms scum is probably in the pool of players we're looking at.
I think you're town, so I'm fine just assumign the latter if it comes down to it, but I know I've bussed teammates before to gain towncred so I'm wary of it having happened here.
I'm not trying to argue with you over whether I'm town or scum. That's something I'm happy to re-litigate in another post.
What I'm trying to get here is given this info flip you want to run , what does it mean for PARTICULAR READS on PARTICULAR PLAYERS if the experiment ends either of two ways in your mind beyond the sophomoric "if you're scum, scum bussed celaph to protect you" which anyone could infer.
We know at least 2 of the 5 mafia were on me. Do you think 3 bussed celaph to save scum!me there? Phrased another way, if we assume I'm scum in this hypothetical, do you think it was a 2-1 split of non-celaph non-me scum on celaph? A 2-1 split voting for me that got overpowered by a town rush? A 3-0 split on me (can't be a 3-0 the other way because Durga voted for me and is known scum)?
If we assume there is scum on celaph's wagon and they bussed him to save me, who do you think they are and why? These are all important questions to know and have answers to written down somewhere before an info flip occurs.
Jamie has been screaming town for all game.
Vecna is a possibility.
I don't think it's Donny or RHK based off previous wagons and interactions.
So I suppose it comes down to Vecna, ghug, rivera as possible bussers
ChaqaChaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:59 pmThis is literally the reason to do an info flip on TFB.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:58 pmI am not the best fan of flipping someone for pure info unless it provides or could provide crucial information that affects gamestate a lot.
See aboveDonny Dude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:08 pmChaqaChaqa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:59 pmThis is literally the reason to do an info flip on TFB.Donny Dude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:58 pmI am not the best fan of flipping someone for pure info unless it provides or could provide crucial information that affects gamestate a lot.
1-10 scale how much information do you feel we get from a tfb flip versus not?
And that was the thrust of what I was trying to get at. There are players that are still alive that look bad whether I'm town or scum and there are players that look good regardless of my status as well; there are plenty of reads that do not change based on my flip. Given that's the case, if you view me as town, we should be flipping scum targets like Vecna, HR, and RDR before we start worrying about the one or two people that hinge on my status as that will likely resolve itself as the game goes on and save us a miskill in the process.
This makes sense to me.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:10 pmAnd that was the thrust of what I was trying to get at. There are players that are still alive that look bad whether I'm town or scum and there are players that look good regardless of my status as well; there are plenty of reads that do not change based on my flip. Given that's the case, if you view me as town, we should be flipping scum targets like Vecna, HR, and RDR before we start worrying about the one or two people that hinge on my status as that will likely resolve itself as the game goes on and save us a miskill in the process.